I'm guessing there must be an issue with the shutter mech, worn or sticky oil. Although stripping an E is easier than a camera with a Zenit with TTL metering, not sure I want the hassle.
, I wonder how they produced them at a conveyor belt...10. Fiddle with the light baffle for 30 minutes ...
12. Fiddle another 30 minutes with the side light baffle...
The curtain blades are about 4mm wide, so one can estimate slit width with that in mind.
The film frame is 36mm wide. So in principle, for different speeds, the curtain slit:
1/30: 36mm
1/60: 18mm
1/125: 9mm
1/250: 4.5mm
1/500: 2.25mm
It's worth noting that the E has no way of adjusting the slit. If the curtains are poorly glued to the drums in wrong places - and you find that out during adjustments - you must disassemble it and re-do everything.
In newer models like 11 or 12 (with the shutter speed knob that does not rotate along with the shutter drum) you can fine tune the slit. Which is an excellent feature.. !
You don't need to test any other speeds other than 1/30 and 1/500. Others will follow OK.
Here are 1/500 photos. NOTE: the curtains are of course perpendicular. The obliqueness is because of digital camera "rolling shutter" effect. Google it.
Shutter at start:
Middle-ish:
End:
You may ask why is the slit wider at the end? The curtain is fastest at there. And slow at the beginning. I have read somewhere that you should adjust the slit that way, and it so far it seems to be true. I have some other Zenits around and they are adjusted this way, and shooting clear skies at 1/500 show no banding or uneven exposure. I believe "one stop" of difference might be OK then? The slit is very accurately 2-3mm at the beginning and probably 4-5mm at the very end of the curtain travel. This is accomplished by setting the 2nd shutter travel time / speed just a bit slower than the 1st.
A camera designed for a budget cannot be repaired for a budget. Is this a contradiction, or is one the result of the other?
I have made a special tool for adjusting the shutter curtain tension. It makes it far easier than using pliers and does not mark the base of the camera. However, no matter how I tweak the tensions, it makes no sense. Increasing tension to get the 1/500 shutter speed correct , I managed1/414, caused the lower shutter speed 1/30 setting, to increases to 1/50.
The other thing I see, is that the shutter speed varies from one side of the frame to the other, for example, on a Zenit 11, I bought 'new' a little while ago, made in 1993
measuring the 1/30 shutter speed on the right, middle and left (shutter moves right to left when viewed from the rear, I get 1/37, 1/40, 1/53.
Using my tensioning tool, I have slowly increased one curtains tension, a little at a time and then done the same with the other. Then reversed this process, slowly letting off spring tension. However, there is no logical change. One would think,
if the exposure is quicker at the end of curtain travel, lowering spring tension on the second curtain would correct it, but it does not.
So trying the opposite and increasing tension on the first curtain would give a better balance, but it does not.
--> yes all cloth leica shutters start slow and go faster at the end due to natural acceleration. you counteract this by making the slit narrower at the start (right, looking from camera back) and wider at the end (left). Basically the 2nd curtain should be a bit slower than the 1st
So the actual 'shutter open' time at any point would be the same, so my shutter timer should also read the same?
The service manual suggests setting the correct shutter speed for 1/500 and then ' the other speeds should be acceptable')
That's probably absolutely true. Kinda like setting a lens focus to be sharp at infinity, the rest of the distances after that should be fine.The service manual suggests setting the correct shutter speed for 1/500 and then ' the other speeds should be acceptable'
Yes, at least it should be so.. hmm. How exactly does your shutter meter work? Curious
Well, success, all is working and after tinkering with the spring tensions, I have
1/30 sec setting giving 1/44 and 1/33 on left & right of shutter.
and at 1/500 setting 1/534 and 1/419
This, I think, is as close as it will ever be and is 'within acceptable tolerance' as worded in the manual.
So, another camera that I shall never use, is working.
What to do next?
I have another Zenit E which could do with a CLA, or
a 12XP, which has a pin hole in the shutter and fungus under the prism silvering (so will never be used), which I could CLA just for the practice,
A TTL which was my first Zenit 'repair' (shutter curtains again) that I did not get the mirror cam aligned correctly,
or a Braun Paxette that needs attention as it has a very white lens and the focus guestimator thingy does nothing. The wind ratchet does not catch, co needs a clean & lube, but big warnings on 'tinternet not to disassemble the ratchet as it explodes springs & cogs everywhere.
Or go down the pub......
The mirror starts to come down already when the second curtain is only halfway closed.
What is the mechanical reason for this design?
Hi,Thank all for the valuable information. Would it be possible to post the sketch for the Arduino shutter meter?. Thank you again!
Probably, because they are so cheap, the modern labour costs exceed the value of the camera. They were built in the Soviet era, where everybody had to have a job. It did not matter if the cameras were actually needed, sold or made a profit.A camera designed for a budget cannot be repaired for a budget. Is this a contradiction, or is one the result of the other?
PLEASE at least change the prism foam, if nothing else. I can guarentee that the foam is already a goey mess and will eat into the prism unless removed.Yes, seems okay, at least the 1/500 is excellent. The 1/30 maybe a bit fast, I would try less rotations on the conical mirror helper spring.
There's one thing that came to my mind, about the speed test setup. Since you are using point lights, it could be that the dropping mirror is fooling it a bit. The mirror starts to come down already when the second curtain is only halfway closed. Seems moronic but the mechanism is very simple and it does not affect real-world exposure that much, because backmost lenses in optics are quite big usually and the left side of picture frame will receive light even if the mirror blocks half of the lens. If you want to experiment, maybe tape the mirror to the ceiling of mirror box and try to test shutter then.
I also have one 12XP and one mint EM and also a Zenit 19 waiting for inspiration.
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