Resurrection of MCC progressing

[aldevo]

I'm looking forward to placing my first MCP order soon and I've got July, 2008 marked on my calendar for the MCC.

Well done, Mirko!

 

[CRhymer]

I received my sample paper on Monday, October 1. Thank you Mirko (and Freestyle for the shipping).

cheers,
Clarence

 

[Uncle Bill]

Really dumb question, what is the dimensions of the test run of MCC 111 in centimeters? I just got my package today and I plan to try it out next weekend

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Dimensions of Testpacks

The dimensions of the samples are:

20,3cmx25,4cm (=8x10 Inch).

Best regards,

Mirko

 

[Uncle Bill]

Thanks Mirko.

 

[Henning Serger]

...
I started with Ilford at a night school course then had the opportunity to buy some MCP glossy at a very good price. Blacks seemed to be particularly deep and I probably made the best print ever of a group of motorbikes. The blacks and chrome really shone.

I have been very satisfied with Ilford since MCP's discontinuation but I'd try it again for certain subjects.

pentaxuser

Hallo Pentaxuser,

I have made similar experiences with Agfa MCP. Any other RC Paper on the market has such deep, wonderful blacks, and such brilliant whites. For me it is the best RC paper on the market, even a little bit better than the excellent Ilford Multigrade IV.

I've tested the new Adox MCC. Great paper! The Emulsion is very very similar to the original Agfa MCC, the differences are minimal and not really worth to be considered in my opinion. I like the new, whiter and more brillant base of the Adox MCC paper.
Mirko, you and your team have done an excellent job so far. Thank you very much! I wish you good luck and great success for this project.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[Michel Hardy-Vallée]

My sample arrived today, Canada is ready!

 

[catem]

I have just had a very pleasant afternoon printing the samples.

Something about having only five sheets concentrates the mind.

Anyway, I managed to make prints from two negatives and the results so far look good. I haven't looked at all the responses to this thread - will do so later, but want to keep unbiased opinions for filling in the form, which I will do tomorrow when the prints are dry. I hope to tone one, and try bleaching one aswell.

I can say already that the paper handles very nicely and I'm pretty certain I will be buying some of this paper when it becomes available.

Thanks Mirko for the samples, and the opportunity to try them out!

 

[Gary Grenell]

I am SO looking foward to this resurrection of my favority paper! Long live traditional photography!!

Gary
Seattle

 

[paxette]

lith, if you have the patience

It would really be interesting to hear from someone that used their samples to lith-print a neg... just to see how the new MCC reacts to lith developers... I don't have any more paper to try it...

I tried lith-printing and redevelopment in Fotospeed LD20. Straight lithing worked in LD20 (1:32 plus old brown) but the development times for me were sooo long I'm not sure its is something I'd do all the time. After about 15 or so minutes I pulled the first print from the developer because I wasn't sure it was going to go further (I'm new to lithing so not always sure what to expect). After fixing the image and taking a good look at it I noticed hints of black along the papers edge so, I tried again. It took about 45 minutes (!!!) in the developer before the blacks were where I wanted them on the second print. The paper behaved oddly, instead of the smooth creep/woosh I'm used to seeing with other papers, the blacks came in blocky chunks and, it happened very s l o w l y. (I think I could've danced a jig before having to rush it to the stop bath it was so slow).

Redevelopment was a different beast. I did two prints, one predominantly light and another very dark. Both prints were bleached back about halfway and I used LD20 at 1:32. The tones in the lighter print were yellow/umber coloured in the mid tones and black in the shadow areas, the mid tones looked really flat. The darker print reacted much like the photo's in Tim Rudman's chapter on redevelopment (the first book) warm browns in the darker areas and bluey grey highlights. The print looks solarized.

I have one sheet of paper left and I'm going to try a stronger ratio of LD20 to water to see if I can't speed the development time up.

Here is a strip of my straight Lith tests.The first section was 3 stops overexposed, the middle section was the one I pulled too early and the last strip was 2 stops overexposed. I contact printed a hand coated glass plate so the blob on the left is a defect in the coating and the black line in the iron's shadow is also a defect in the negative. And, here is one of the redeveloped prints, it's a holga shot complete with light leaks

I hope this helps.

And, thanks Mirko for letting me play. I really like the new paper.

 

[mikeg]

I too tried lith printing with the new paper. It was at the end of a printing session for the lith print exchange so my developer may have been nearing exhaustion, but my findings are very similar to paxette.

I used Fotospeed LD20 at 1+20 plus 1 of old brown. It took about 20 - 25 minutes before I pulled the print. The brown colours were very similar to that seen with Kentona and LD20, however the image was a bit flat. Maybe I got the exposure wrong or pulled it too soon.

I've tried lith printing with the old Agfa MCC in the past and the results were very similar.

It would be interesting to see how it would react to stronger and maybe warmer lith developer. I've got 1 sheet left, so I may try that soon.

Mike

 

[Uncle Bill]

I did a small print session with this paper tonight and I am very impressed. Mirko, send me a box of 100 sheets.

 

[Uncle Bill]

I did a small print session with this paper tonight and I am very impressed. Mirko, send me a box of 100 sheets.

Seriously folks, I used Dektol 1+2 as my print developer and I was very happy with the neutral-cold tone look of the prints. I think Mirko and the gang will have a winner on their hands once Adox Mcc 111 is ready for prime time. Now I hope the paper will be available through traditional retail channels.

 

[PHOTOTONE]

Now I hope the paper will be available through traditional retail channels.

Do you mean you hope your local "camera" store will stock it? Don't hold your breath. However, if you mean, the larger mail-order and internet sales companies, such as Freestyle and B&H, Badger, Midwest, etc, then I hope so too.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I too, have been playing around with the sample package that was sent to me. I have to say that this is a sweet paper. Bright whites and cool image tone. Excellent contrast range, and very nice tonal seperations (lowest contrast curve wasn't too bad with very slight compression in the shadows...better than a lot of papers out there).
I just started playing around with selenium toner and my initial tests were not very good. I know that most papers lose Dmax at a certain point while toning and I must have gone beyond this point with this paper as Dmax went from 2.18 to 1.77 (KRST 1+9 6 min @ 24 Celcius). I'll have to go back in my darkroom to find which time/temp is most effective at this dilution. Too bad there were only a few sheets in the test package!! I could do with a few more sheets. I must also add that the colour didn't change at all in selenium...at least I couldn't see any difference.
If this paper is made available in Canada and the price is comparable to others, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. I've given the film girl at Beau photo in Vancouver the heads up!!

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Question: Who will sell the product in the US and Canada ?
Answer: We are negotiating with a major US supplier for a distribution which will also enable local resellers to obtain and sell the product.

That's the US...what about Canada?? Why do we have to always go south?

 

[Uncle Bill]

That's the US...what about Canada?? Why do we have to always go south?

Has anyone looked at the shipping quotes from B&H to Toronto lately?

 

[Renato Tonelli]

I am very interested in this paper as I was a heavy user of the Agfa BUT, what I liked about the Agfa was its creamy base color and apparently the new version is on a white base. So my question is: what makes this new version stand out from what is currently available from other paper mfgs?

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

So my question is: what makes this new version stand out from what is currently available from other paper mfgs?

That is a very good question. There really isn't anything that makes this a remarkable paper. I would say that it is a high quality paper. I do want to see it on the shelves. The more there is for us to choose from, the better in this day and age.

 

[Rolleiflexible]

That is a very good question. There really isn't anything that makes this a remarkable paper. I would say that it is a high quality paper. I do want to see it on the shelves. The more there is for us to choose from, the better in this day and age.

I completely disagree. The emulsion runs warm in the midtones. The blacks are deadblack. The highlights have very smooth transitions. There is nothing out there remotely similar to this paper. The difference in paper base tones between the old paper and the prototype of the new version is slight -- you have to lay old and new side-by-side under a bright light to see it. It does not at all change the character of the paper.

I bought over a thousand sheets of the old MCC 111 when Agfa died, and I am praying that this paper makes it to production before I exhaust my stash.

RFXB

 

[Renato Tonelli]

I will have to try it - it's too enticing. I'm down to 150 sheets of the Agfa.

 

[pesphoto]

Just found this thred, good news! What type of surface does this paper have? Is it fiber I assume?

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Surface

the MCC samples have a glossy suface.
We are are currently sending out the second batch in Europe.
In the US the second batch will probably be distributed in two-three weeks.

When we go into final production by July next year we will also consider different surfaces. However we cannot forecast at this time if it is going to be 100% like MCC 118 used to be or slightly different.

Best regards,

Mirko

 

[JLP]

Mirko,
Did you make a new distribution list for the second batch? I took part in the first test and would really like to be in on the second too if possible. In particular if there are changes made from the first batch.
Thanks.

jan

 

[Gene_Laughter]

Here's hoping there will be a surface similar to 118 - "fine grain matt," so that those of us that used Agfa MCC 118 for producing bromoil prints will have a paper that is "bromoil friendly!"

Thanks, Mirko!

Gene Laughter

the MCC samples have a glossy suface.
We are are currently sending out the second batch in Europe.
In the US the second batch will probably be distributed in two-three weeks.

When we go into final production by July next year we will also consider different surfaces. However we cannot forecast at this time if it is going to be 100% like MCC 118 used to be or slightly different.

Best regards,

Mirko