Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[RattyMouse]

Mid June and still no film for me.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

It arrived today for me!

Ferrania P30 by Ricardo Miranda, on Flickr

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Yay!

 

[pbromaghin]

It arrived today for me!
Ferrania P30 by Ricardo Miranda, on Flickr

Ricardo, how long after the website opened did you place your order? I waited a few days to let things settle down and I expect there are a lot of people ahead of me so it will be a while before mine arrives.

 

[pbromaghin]

Mid June and still no film for me.

Ratty, I am asking Ricardo, who just got his film, when he ordered. When did you order? It may just be that you are farther back in the queue. I ordered several days after it opened and don't expect my film for a while.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Ricardo, how long after the website opened did you place your order? I waited a few days to let things settle down and I expect there are a lot of people ahead of me so it will be a while before mine arrives.

I ordered it on the 15th March at 16:02, the day the shop opened.
And hour earlier I had sent an email about the web shop crash.
As I posted before my order number is 904xx.

 

[cmacd123]

It would certainly be possible, and I apologise if my tone was accusatory, that was not intended, my batch is P30.17.001 I understand .002 is now shipping and may have different marking and as stated it is alpha so variation is possible between runs.

I would still love to see what markings your batch has, and for that matter anyone else who gets a batch with different markings...

 

[Vonder]

I know everyone is getting excited about their P30, but, any news on the colour film?

You mean the seed money they used to start up the much less complex and profitable B&W film? Don't hold your breath.

 

[RattyMouse]

Ratty, I am asking Ricardo, who just got his film, when he ordered. When did you order? It may just be that you are farther back in the queue. I ordered several days after it opened and don't expect my film for a while.

If I remember right, I ordered on day 1. However, it's been such a long time that I can't honestly remember.

 

[Chris Livsey]

I would still love to see what markings your batch has, and for that matter anyone else who gets a batch with different markings...

I have posted that image in reply 2613 in this thread, and commented on the second marking the "safety 10D" which I didn't trouble to scan.

 

[kb3lms]

and to be honest this is not looking too good...why some films have ferrania and frame numbers and some don't?

Because they are figuring out how to use the machine?

 

[cmacd123]

I have posted that image in reply 2613 in this thread, and commented on the second marking the "safety 10D" which I didn't trouble to scan.

The Ferrania 15 marking is the one that we expected to see, (it corresponds to what FF posted on their web site) it is the other one that might be of interest.

 

[Chris Livsey]

The Ferrania 15 marking is the one that we expected to see, (it corresponds to what FF posted on their web site) it is the other one that might be of interest.

Happy to scan and post but not tomorrow, the paying job intervenes!

 

[Berri]

Because they are figuring out how to use the machine?

You might be right. For some reasons I thought that after five years they'd figured out how to use their machines. Perhaps one day they'll figure out how to make colour reversal film...

 

[iulian]

You might be right. For some reasons I thought that after five years they'd figured out how to use their machines. Perhaps one day they'll figure out how to make colour reversal film...

Unless some disgruntled italian realises someone somewhere in Italy wants to actually do something and burns the factory down.

 

[Agulliver]

The kickstarter funds were EXPLICITLY for the purpose of purchasing various machines, moving them from buildings which were being demolished, and reinstalling them in the LRF.

The funds were used for just that purpose.

This seems beyond the understanding of a lot of people here. I honestly wonder how you operate a box camera...and assume you dictate your posts to someone with enough brain cells to type.

Really people how many times do you have to be told what the money was for?

Seriously thinking of just giving up on APUG due to the utter idiocy on this thread.

 

[iulian]

The kickstarter funds were EXPLICITLY for the purpose of purchasing various machines, moving them from buildings which were being demolished, and reinstalling them in the LRF.

The funds were used for just that purpose.

This seems beyond the understanding of a lot of people here. I honestly wonder how you operate a box camera...and assume you dictate your posts to someone with enough brain cells to type.

Really people how many times do you have to be told what the money was for?

Seriously thinking of just giving up on APUG due to the utter idiocy on this thread.

Calculate the percentage of individual idiots, not the percentage of their posts and you'll see APUG is a pretty good place to be

 

[Europan]

Seriously thinking of just giving up on APUG due to the utter idiocy on this thread.

Relax, and stay among us. It’s midsummer, it’s Gemini time (plus Mercury in Gemini), too fast a spin for many. Means many people don’t get it.
Besides, there are other APUG threads, equally interesting.

 

[fdonadio]

And there's always the option of ignoring certain users, threads and whole subforums.

 

[Cholentpot]

Unless some disgruntled italian realises someone somewhere in Italy wants to actually do something and burns the factory down.

Us Americans wait in line, expect our food to be fast and our cars to be serviceable but ugly.

The guy you think who is gonna burn the factory down car broke down and he wandered off to find something to eat. He'll never make it to the factory. I do believe they will turn out an E-6 film and it will be jawdropping but with some really weird boneheaded quirk, like the cans all are loaded backwards or the edge markings are in the frame. Italians are great at making things of beauty but maybe not the best at deadlines and reliable engineering.

 

[railwayman3]

The facts, as I see it, IMHO, and without any criticism implied:-

It's taken 4 years to produce a B&W film, the delays being largely due to unexpected problems, mostly unforseeable, and underatndably beyond Ferrania's best efforts. There is no reliable indication how much longer it may take to produce an E6 film, and whether this will be a reliable product from day one (or a semi-experimental "Alpha" version) , and competitive with Fuji (or even "New Ektachrome"?) in quality and price.

Ferrania themselve suggested that they would have run out of money if they had not been able to get income from P30, so presumably the Kickstarter money has been spent. IIRC, much of their work so far has been, and is being, done by volunteers? In the longer term they will, presumably, have to pay economic salaries to qualified staff and meet all the ongoing expenses associated with a, still quite substantial, factory ?

Again presumably, income to meet these costs can only come from profits from sale of film. Given that the products, as projected (unusual sizes, specialist types of film, etc., and perhaps, understandably, therefore not cheap), would seem to appeal mainly to us enthusiasts and be unlikely to be sold in Walmarts or Boots, can the volume of sales ever be enough to support the project ? And I believe it is a correct statistic that E6 usage is static and certainly many labs have closed, so, unless Fuji and Kodak (if we get "New Ektachrome?) both pull E6, the competition has to be to draw sales from these two reliable manufacturers. Even more difficult with B&W while several other manufacturers still offer a good selection of readily available and reliable film ?

Not being negative or bashing anyone, I can't see that there is a business plan which is viable long term ? Hopefully, I'm missing something ?

 

[pbromaghin]

Adox is going to take 6-9 months (starting to look more like a year) just to transfer production of an existing B&W emulsion to another active machine that didn't spend 10 years in mothballs.

People, take a pill or something.

 

[Chris Livsey]

The Ferrania 15 marking is the one that we expected to see, (it corresponds to what FF posted on their web site) it is the other one that might be of interest.

Here you are:

 

[railwayman3]

Adox is going to take 6-9 months (starting to look more like a year) just to transfer production of an existing B&W emulsion to another active machine that didn't spend 10 years in mothballs.

People, take a pill or something.

Yes, but you're totally ignoring my question as to whether Ferrania can now ever produce a viable business model, whether it takes them another 10 weeks or another 10 years to produce E6 film....or any other product ? A quick glance at the official Adox site shows that they currently list 6 different films, 7 different papers and 17 different prepared chemicals (and a variety of other "Adox" branded products, listed on the fotoimpex distributor site), so the impression must be that they are now an established company offering reliable products (I'm not aware that they have ever sold, or had to sell, any "Alpha" versions ?? ). Presumably their business is profitable and able to finance the R&D of transferring of one emulsion to a new machine, even if there are delays ?

If Ferrania folds, my only personal loss will be the $$$ contributed to the Kickstarter, which I never regarded as being to actually buy anything....the "rewards" would have been interesting, but I can live without these - or pills ! Like every other Kickstarter, I am sure that it was set up with genuine and good intents but times and circumstances change, and the best laid business plans can fail through no-one's fault.

 

[Berri]

You a

The kickstarter funds were EXPLICITLY for the purpose of purchasing various machines, moving them from buildings which were being demolished, and reinstalling them in the LRF.

The funds were used for just that purpose.

This seems beyond the understanding of a lot of people here. I honestly wonder how you operate a box camera...and assume you dictate your posts to someone with enough brain cells to type.

Really people how many times do you have to be told what the money was for?

Seriously thinking of just giving up on APUG due to the utter idiocy on this thread.

So they never said they'd eventually produce colour reversal film. No, they just wanted to money to move some machinery from a building to another. Now we should be grateful if we have another bw film and no signs of any upcoming reversal film.

The kickstarter funds were EXPLICITLY for the purpose of purchasing various machines, moving them from buildings which were being demolished, and reinstalling them in the LRF.

The funds were used for just that purpose.

This seems beyond the understanding of a lot of people here. I honestly wonder how you operate a box camera...and assume you dictate your posts to someone with enough brain cells to type.

Really people how many times do you have to be told what the money was for?

Seriously thinking of just giving up on APUG due to the utter idiocy on this thread.

I'm pretty sure many people (and backers) thought that they asked for money to put on the market a new reversal film available both for motion picture and still photography, but you might be right: they might have used the money just to move some machinery from a building to another. In this case we should be really greatful to have a new black and white film along withe the other dozens of different emulsion types we have.