Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[Cholentpot]

Well, look what arrived in the post today.... only 2 days after I received the shipping notification.

Now the tough part is deciding which camera gets to play first...

Not in a big hurry for the color film as I'm mostly a B/W shooter, but it's pretty cool to see some real product from Ferrania after all the wait.

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Nice tablecloth.

The weights are pretty nice too.

 

[Brady Eklund]

Now the tough part is deciding which camera gets to play first...
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My Suggestion: Left Right Center

Sounds like I'll probably get my film in a week or so!!! The problem is our lab doesn't have D76. Looks like I'll have to do some clip tests in HC-110 and see if I can figure out a time. I'll have to see if I can find any somewhat similar films and figure out if there's anything I can do to make them work. I could also just buy the right chemistry, but that wouldn't be very adventurous would it?

 

[jimjm]

My Suggestion: Left Right Center

Sounds like I'll probably get my film in a week or so!!! The problem is our lab doesn't have D76. Looks like I'll have to do some clip tests in HC-110 and see if I can figure out a time. I'll have to see if I can find any somewhat similar films and figure out if there's anything I can do to make them work. I could also just buy the right chemistry, but that wouldn't be very adventurous would it?

I hope to shoot a few rolls this weekend and will use Ferrania's recommended times for D-76, but will probably soup one roll in HC-110 also.

I'll post my times/dilutions and some images here for those who may be interested. Should be fun!

 

[Brady Eklund]

I hope to shoot a few rolls this weekend and will use Ferrania's recommended times for D-76, but will probably soup one roll in HC-110 also.

I'll post my times/dilutions and some images here for those who may be interested. Should be fun!

I also have some tmax developer, which they do have a recommended time for(at 24C), but I'm afraid it's rather old. IIRC the early testing included HC-110, but the results were kind of muddy. Don't remember if they posted an example pic or not. I wonder how it would respond to being pushed a stop in HC-110. The grain seems rather fine as it is, and that's been my main problem when I've pushed films in HC-110 that aren't well suited for it.

 

[wlodekmj]

I also have some tmax developer, which they do have a recommended time for(at 24C), but I'm afraid it's rather old. IIRC the early testing included HC-110, but the results were kind of muddy. Don't remember if they posted an example pic or not. I wonder how it would respond to being pushed a stop in HC-110. The grain seems rather fine as it is, and that's been my main problem when I've pushed films in HC-110 that aren't well suited for it.

The top left photo in the ones shown for batch P30-17-001 is described as processed in HC-110. Given the multi-layered nature of the image, it could perhaps be called muddy, but not because of the developer. Why do you say that fine grain is a problem for you - if you want coarse grain, then you can use a fast film or a developer that brings out the grain - or did you mean something else?

 

[Brady Eklund]

The top left photo in the ones shown for batch P30-17-001 is described as processed in HC-110. Given the multi-layered nature of the image, it could perhaps be called muddy, but not because of the developer. Why do you say that fine grain is a problem for you - if you want coarse grain, then you can use a fast film or a developer that brings out the grain - or did you mean something else?

I was thinking of the wrong test picture. That actually looks pretty good. I wish they had provided a time rather than just saying it was "machine processed". I'll just have to do a clip test. I think the grain problems I've had have all been with pushed Ilford Delta films in HC-110. These are pretty unique and modern emulsions and are really nothing like P30, so it was dumb to think I'd run into the same issues.

 

[wlodekmj]

I was thinking of the wrong test picture. That actually looks pretty good. I wish they had provided a time rather than just saying it was "machine processed". I'll just have to do a clip test. I think the grain problems I've had have all been with pushed Ilford Delta films in HC-110. These are pretty unique and modern emulsions and are really nothing like P30, so it was dumb to think I'd run into the same issues.

Thanks for your interesting and informative reply. I expect that many of us here will resort to clip tests, as the first 5 rolls will not be enough for comprehensive testing. A comparison with Delta 100 will show just how different they are - I have a couple of rolls waiting for the P30 to arrive.

 

[DaveTheWalker]

I hope to shoot a few rolls this weekend and will use Ferrania's recommended times for D-76, but will probably soup one roll in HC-110 also.

I'll post my times/dilutions and some images here for those who may be interested. Should be fun!

Did you manage to shoot anything yet? I'd love to see some results if anybody has any!

 

[guangong]

My principal desire from FF is color reversal 16mm and Super8. Occasionally I used color slide film in still photography but for the most part almost exclusively b/w. As for 220, only my Rollei 2.8F can use it and I can't even remember when I last shot a roll and for a long time wasn't even of its disappearance.
As I recall, the first info on FF revival project appeared in the few amateur cinematography magazines still being published until a few years ago. For me, color reversal movie film is the reason for FF's efforts. Of course I do wish success for their slide and b/w films.
I find the technical problems pertaining to consistency of coating very illuminating. Just think of all the problems that Edison and Eastman had to face to manufacture movie film in the pioneering days of cinematography.

 

[RattyMouse]

Now June and no P30 yet.

 

[Nzoomed]

Will be awesome if we get the colour film soon. Im hoping I can shoot a roll this upcoming ski season!

 

[Oxleyroad]

Ah skiing in July. I miss it.

 

[fdonadio]

Ah skiing in July. I miss it.

I miss snowboarding any time of the year. No snow at all here, not even in the coldest winters. The problems of living in the tropics...

 

[railwayman3]

Will be awesome if we get the colour film soon. Im hoping I can shoot a roll this upcoming ski season!

I honestly fear that it may be a few ski seasons in the future before we can expect to be shooting on Ferraniachrome. (And I'm not holding my breathe about Ektachrome...)

Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Chris Livsey]

5 rolls P30 arrived yesterday, batch P30.17.001, I was rather hoping for some results from early deliveries. I am tempted to to cut one roll into three to try developers without sacrificing stock in tests sort of a long clip test, of course it poured down yesterday I was at work today and tomorrow more rain, it is June after all in the UK.
I may shoot a frame or two at the polling station, voting tomorrow in our general Election, a nice time line fix.

 

[Cholentpot]

5 rolls P30 arrived yesterday, batch P30.17.001, I was rather hoping for some results from early deliveries. I am tempted to to cut one roll into three to try developers without sacrificing stock in tests sort of a long clip test, of course it poured down yesterday I was at work today and tomorrow more rain, it is June after all in the UK.
I may shoot a frame or two at the polling station, voting tomorrow in our general Election, a nice time line fix.

Yeah! Come on someone here! I was expecting this website to be the first to have tests on this stuff. C'mon fellow nerds! Lets do this!

 

[Chris Livsey]

Yeah! Come on someone here! I was expecting this website to be the first to have tests on this stuff. C'mon fellow nerds! Lets do this!

I've loaded an F100 for tomorrow, ( oops! just read they recommend manual wind only, sprockets look "normal" not movie dimensions, the F100 is kind and I won't run 5 frames/sec) just browsing the pdf sheet, current developers on hand are Rodinal, but many have done that already, HC110, I usually use 1:50 or 1:60 and Pyrocat HD (some Harvey's 777 which I suspect will be lovely but may annoy everyone who hasn't got it) there are some lovely frames on the Ferrania page but not a lot on Flickr yet, as an aside Flickr seems to be on a downward spiral for postings at the moment where has everyone moved to? (apologies for OT I'll start a new thread elsewhere)

 

[Nzoomed]

I honestly fear that it may be a few ski seasons in the future before we can expect to be shooting on Ferraniachrome. (And I'm not holding my breathe about Ektachrome...)

Hope I'm wrong.

Dont be so pessimistic!
Kodak are working on it, and im sure we will have an update regarding the colour film.
They have been spending lots of time making the sensitizers needed, and probably the necessary dye couplers also.
Im sure they will have production of colour starting this year.
Good thing is the p30 has ironed out any issues with the coater and other machinery.

 

[Nzoomed]

Ah skiing in July. I miss it.

July is our winter in New Zealand

 

[Cholentpot]

I've loaded an F100 for tomorrow, ( oops! just read they recommend manual wind only, sprockets look "normal" not movie dimensions, the F100 is kind and I won't run 5 frames/sec) just browsing the pdf sheet, current developers on hand are Rodinal, but many have done that already, HC110, I usually use 1:50 or 1:60 and Pyrocat HD (some Harvey's 777 which I suspect will be lovely but may annoy everyone who hasn't got it) there are some lovely frames on the Ferrania page but not a lot on Flickr yet, as an aside Flickr seems to be on a downward spiral for postings at the moment where has everyone moved to? (apologies for OT I'll start a new thread elsewhere)

Start a thread Post P30 Here or something. I'm curious about your 1:50 mixes for HC-110. I have 400 feet of HP5+ and am looking for something other than dilution B.

 

[Oxleyroad]

July is our winter in New Zealand

Don't I know it. Spent my first 46 years in Oz

 

[cmacd123]

sprockets look "normal" not movie dimensions,

All 35mm sprockets are "Movie" dimensions.

the two most common are BH (also called Negative) and KS (Kodak Standard also called Positive) the BH perfs have rounded ends and are used in Most movie Cameras. for technical reasons they normally have .1866 inch centers. the KS perfs have rectangualr holes and are generaly .1870 inch centers. (not that most folks can measure that .0004 inch difference.)

Almost all Still film is provided with KS1870 perfs.

Ferrania did say they were using a "positive film" perforator to prepair this stuff, using a "ferrania" plate to endorse the edge of the film. they also indicated that the name reads right on the emulsion side, which if you think about how movie prints are made would be right as the words would read right when you were looking at a print where the titles and such also read correctly. (which for a contact print from a negative would be the emulsion side)

So yes, you can expect the (correct) movie perfs....

 

[cmacd123]

BTW I thawed a roll of ARISTA 400 colour Negative and shot it recently, (the Arista Colour films were as far as I know all made by ferrania/3M) It came back today and it is proudly endorsed "Ferrania" and version 87-5. the roll of Foma Equicolur I shot recently was unnamed but version 87-7. Both with plus signs between the perfs.

the 87-5 did have a bit of dmin fog even having been sleeping in the freezer, but it must have been overlooked there for ten years. ( have been mostly shooting B&W since I retired) much less dmin fog on the 87-7 but it is still way out of date.

Machine prints in both cases have "pleasant" colour.

SO yes, I miss italian colour film.

 

[Chris Livsey]

Start a thread Post P30 Here or something. I'm curious about your 1:50 mixes for HC-110. I have 400 feet of HP5+ and am looking for something other than dilution B.

It's an easier to measure dilution approximating to H, using a Paterson 5 reel tank =1500ml total I need 30mls of liquid HC110 for 1:50 or if I'm feeling frugal 25ml for 1:60 I usually run the 1:50 for a full 5 films loaded in the tank as it is getting down towards minimum developer per film 1:60 if say three films in. Continuous agitation for 1st min then semi-stand so 3 inversions at 1/4 times, gives agitation for 16 mins total time at 4,8,12 mins. Times usually between 12-16mins depending on exposure/film, times between 50 and 60 are within margin of error since I sold my densitometer!! With longer times the seconds become less important, reduced agitation seems to nicely control the grain.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

I know my pre-order for P30 is on the move as I was already charged for it.
Now, I am waiting patiently.