Agfa Cinerex - tests and recommendation

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Field

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In a dark place, like a changing bag or a sealed off closet, you just grab one end and roll half of the 300ft onto anything round, 1-2 inches in diameter, 24mm wide, piece of tape to hold it on. After you do this you put one of them in the loader, and one back in the darkbag it came in (tape it shut).

It couldn't be much easier.

Oh and a red safelight is ok too in the closet/dark place. It won't change the film any.

(P.S. no one has anything but a 100ft loader, they just happen to fit 50-100ft more than they say with this film)
 
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I load it rather basic, in the dark, I open the box Field sent it to me, then open the black bag, pull out one arms length (which for me is about 13 frames), cut it, tape the head to the wall, tape the tail to a bulk film spool with masking tape, wind up, and done with it....easy as pie. I have a bulk loader but I figure I can wait till it gets to about 100 or so feet and then put it on there.

So I got another winner, Xtol 1:1 (not replenished), 12:45 mins, ASA 25, with yellow filter (K2), Yashica Linx, shot at (I believe) f1.4, 1/500....


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Choresday, which is the day before Thursday, which is also a chores day in early winter

While doing wood pile chores I made a few snapshots with the tiny Retina, which is giving sharper results with every film used, or I am getting used to it

I cut a 21ex length exposed at 40asa into three portions for development in replenished D76d for 5 mins at 20 degrees, Leitz two bath, basically D23ish followed by an alkali bath and Rodinal 1:100 plus one small dead spider per 300ml for half an hour

Results

Two bath gives what appears to be the nicest negs, that was 3 mins in sol'n A with almost constant aggravation at 20 degrees, followed by a still bath of sulphite and carbonate for four mins to bring up the shadows

The Rodinal at 1:100 is almost as soft as the two bath - I am aware I was only processing a small portion of film, so it was not getting ad knackered as it would with 36ex in the same amount of dev' - I will have to do more work to determine the effect of dead spiders on the results

Looked at wet the D76d is still too harsh for real use even down to 5 mins dev' and the other two are usable

Note on the developers
The D76dwas made up in 1985 and has been very carefully replenished ever since, with regular zone VII tests to check its quality

The Leitz two bath from the BKP Almanac 1954 is 5g Metol, 100g Sulphite to 1000ml water, bath two is 6g Sulphite, 15g Carbonate to 1000ml water - I dev'd 4 miins with serious agitation in the first bath followed by 5 mins in bath two with no agitation at all - The idea is that the highlights develop in the first bath and the shadows build up in bath two - The metol in the highlights quickly exhausts, hence no agitation in B2

The spider in the Rodinal 1:100 was not intentional - I have not used Rodinal for about 20 years, so tried it for half an hour with one minute serious agitation followed by abandoning it on the back of the wet bench for the rest of the time
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Pix later, after the negs are dry
 
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A few more using Rodinal 1-50 (16 EI) for 7 minutes with a prewash and agitation 1 per minute. Taken with Canon EOS 3 w/ 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 lens

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Loving the contrast I get from this film. Next batch will be 6.5 minutes in Rodinal
 
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A few more using Rodinal 1-50 (16 EI) for 7 minutes with a prewash and agitation 1 per minute. Taken with Canon EOS 3 w/ 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 lens

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Loving the contrast I get from this film. Next batch will be 6.5 minutes in Rodinal

Wow. Loving this. I think I see here a combo of EI and times I'm going go with in using Rodinal.
 

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EI16, wow!

Anyone looking to do the same please realize the agitation of Rodinal greatly changes how it works. I prefer less agitation becaues it extends the development time and lets me fine tune development.
 

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That is one of the differences I have found between Rodinal and the Canadian version Blazinal. With this developer you NEED to agitate every minute to prevent uneven developing. I have tried it with many different films and found I have far better development WITH agitation of 1 per minute. I am going to keep reducing my development times even more. 6 minutes next and leaving the 16 EI . Sooner or later I will find the minimum time. I have given up on the small test rolls (-20 ish frames) up to the over 30+ frms so I may need another large roll before the year has ended. THNKZ
 
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I tried 8 minutes at 1 minute agitations for EI50, too much development with Rodinal (Adonal).

Here is a tip for everyone. (by Kodak) For every stop more exposure decrease development time by 1 minute. For every stop less increase by 2 minutes. I'd say my EI25 at 7 minutes was at the same development as the EI50 following this, I just have to agitate a lot less. The rule appears pretty accurate for this film. I'm going to give my next roll 3 minute intervals for agitation and see if 7 or 8 minutes works out. I agree the secret to this is to find the minimium development to make it beautiful and good for making immaculate prints like the one sent to me. I can say though juding by my last scans of overdeveloped, they where not that bad because skin tones where realistic, no blow outs, and various metal objects where accurate. It was close.

Too bad there isn't enough of this film to submit times to the Massive Dev Chart!
 

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You are really nailing it. I got to develop and shoot some more stuff but it has been gloomy here!
 

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I'll post more when my hard drive works. It sucks. I've taken a lot more picturess

Sourcing = impossible as far as I can tell. I've been looking into it.
 

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A few more, shot at ISO 100, developed in ID11 (1+2) for 9:30 ... still overdeveloped. These were in a daaaark room. Used with a tripod.
 

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I tried Rodinal 1:50, 68F, 7.5 minutes, agitate first 30 seconds, then 5 seconds every two minutes EI50. This turned out much better than my first batch which was overdeveloped (8 minutes with more agitation). I am feeling more confident that this film can be used in not only even lighting but also with harsh lighting (dark shadows). The negatives are so sharp. Test shots - the first one is of a banana pepper plant in a navy blue container in very harsh side lighting. The second one is of a grave marker. The usual disclaimers about image quality. A sharp, contrasty film, no doubt, but it can be tamed.

Tonight I will test if they are printable with traditional methods. I bet they are.

Thanks again Field!

Dave

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Field

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This stuff can be very sharp, or very dreamy. I find at lower shutter speeds the sharpness is diminished for me often. Maybe it is my hands, but I don't know! I usually pull of sharp pictures at lower shutter speeds (nothing too low, like 60th). Maybe it has more to do with DOF and focus. The film is designed for receiving a rather flat image, maybe that has something to do with it.

I just did EI100, rodinal 1:50 68*, at 5 minutes. It came out pretty good except my skills with my spotmeter in my OM4 have a little left to be desired. I only agitated it at the beginning, and in the middle. I also pre-soak like three times until it stops running pink when I dump the water. I wouldn't think that would change anything, but maybe it does... I mean my development time is much lower than yours! Yours look a bit better though.

Hm.
 

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After playing around with rodinal 1:50 at 5 minutes, the negatives are minorly thin. Thing is printing turns out better at something close to grade 4, where as if I developed it longer I get stuck with higher contrast. If my intention was only to scan I'd probably increase development time a little bit, 15-30 seconds; but the lack of tonality in printing would bother me so right now I think I got it where I want. The grain at this level is super fine, hard to even see with grain focuser.

I guess for EI50 I'll do 1:100, and try to get that time down as well. I suspect 1:50 with EI200 or EI400 will work out, guessing maybe at 1.5 minute increases per stop. Got some testing to do...
 

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Field,

I would like to see some of your results - ei100, 5 minutes in Rodinal 1:50 would be too thin for what I was doing (I think!) No doubt that less agitation is better than more. Did you try any two bath developers?

Dave
 

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No, no two baths.

I'll get the pictures with my hard drive in the near future.
 

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EI100 5min rodinal 68* , agitate beginning and middle.

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EI200 6min rodinal 68*, agitated beginning and middle.

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v700 flatbed. only 150dpi, 16 bit greyscale nothing else. it is always dirty. Man silverfast software blows but hey... I can use it.
 

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Are you getting any separation in the shadows? My monitor shows a pretty solid black.
 
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