The return of the Syrup: HC-110 in the water-free version manufactured again

MattKing said:

FWIW, I always found @JBrunner 's 1 + 49 dilution suggestion to be quite handy: https://www.photrio.com/forum/resources/hc110-made-simple.220/

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That's the only developer and dilution I've used for years. It works very well for me.

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MattKing said:

the dedicated replenisher.

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You reminded me, I have some

Has a little bit remaining. I used it direct (diluted) and it worked fine. Can't remember last time but maybe a couple of years ago. Might throw some old film at it for science and a laugh!



Whilst digging that out, I found this...



Now this is old! Looks to be enough for a few films @ 1:100. Another experiment not worth doing but I will!

I do have a bottle of newer HC110 which I haven't opened yet... it's dated 2020


Also unearthed 2 bottle of Agfa Viradon which I've been keeping for a rainy day!

And finally.. on developer longevity, I bought a 5L 'bottle' of Tetenal Eukobrom paper developer many years ago and last night diluted some, and got very little development, so poured some more into the tray... still not much... tipped that out and pour some more into the tray 'neat' Took 6mins in developer and still not great! So, I have a bout 3L left I have successfully used this not long ago (months) so it's fallen of the cliff somewhat suddenly.

Nige said:

You reminded me, I have some

Has a little bit remaining. I used it direct (diluted) and it worked fine. Can't remember last time but maybe a couple of years ago. Might throw some old film at it for science and a laugh!

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It will probably "work", but who knows what developing time you should use!

i just got some adox syrup yesterday. did a roll of kentmere 400 in 1:119 syrup for 18 minutes (friend suggested me to do this) yesterday. printed today.
i have no past experience hc 110 but it was definitely pretty viscous
looks great i think. dont have a scanner so i cant show it but it was an easy print, did only one test strip for both grade 3 and grade 5 for one negative on multigrade paper and developer. forgot to do any contact sheet though, but since it printed well im sure the rest are fine as well.
ill do an actual dilution soon.

PicklesFrog said:

did a roll of kentmere 400 in 1:119 syrup for 18 minutes

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That dilution would make a lot of developer liquid to maintain the recommended minimum 6ml syrup pr. film: (6x119)+6=720ml.

I personally make do with 5ml. pr. film, but I feel ashamed ;-)

I see that Freestyle has pushed back the date when the new Adox Syrup will be available again with no ETA on the website for when it will get here. I'm really itching to get my hands on some of this stuff but sheesh. I suppose I could give them my email address and get notified when it gets into the country but I already get too many emails. This week it's called:

ADOX SYRUP 110 FILM DEVELOPER​

I'm not too bothered as I just bought 10 cans of Acu-1 on the Bay of E's. But THIS, boys and girls, is why you don't want a dependency on any proprietary developers (I just reread that last night in the Film Developing Cookbook).

darkroommike said:

I see that Freestyle has pushed back the date when the new Adox Syrup will be available again with no ETA on the website for when it will get here. I'm really itching to get my hands on some of this stuff but sheesh. I suppose I could give them my email address and get notified when it gets into the country but I already get too many emails. This week it's called:

ADOX SYRUP 110 FILM DEVELOPER​

I'm not too bothered as I just bought 10 cans of Acu-1 on the Bay of E's. But THIS, boys and girls, is why you don't want a dependency on any proprietary developers (I just reread that last night in the Film Developing Cookbook).

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There are so many clones of HC-110 that I wouldn't worry too much about reliance on the formula.

I wouldn't personally bother waiting for Adox 110 to show up, I'd just buy something like L110 from Legacy Pro. Same dilutions, same development times and easier to pour/mix. Cheap enough that if it goes off in a few years you won't mind pouring the last bits down the drain.

logan2z said:

There are so many clones of HC-110 that I wouldn't worry too much about reliance on the formula.

I wouldn't personally bother waiting for Adox 110 to show up, I'd just buy something like L110 from Legacy Pro. Same dilutions, same development times and easier to pour/mix. Cheap enough that if it goes off in a few years you won't mind pouring the last bits down the drain.

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All true but I wants what I wants! (Read that in a whiny kid voice please.) On a semi-serious note I really want a small bottle of syrup, I quit HC-110 when Kodak discontinued the 16oz. bottles, I'm one of the holdouts that like diluting the concentrate into a stock solution but the quart (and later liter) bottles were too darn much for my low throughput.

darkroommike said:

All true but I wants what I wants! (Read that in a whiny kid voice please.) On a semi-serious note I really want a small bottle of syrup, I quit HC-110 when Kodak discontinued the 16oz. bottles, I'm one of the holdouts that like diluting the concentrate into a stock solution but the quart (and later liter) bottles were too darn much for my low throughput.

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I have some of the Adox syrup on pre-order as well. I'm curious. I used HC-110 back in the square 16oz bottle days too. Marvelous stuff. I switched to XTOL and when I came back to try and get some HC-110 everything had changed. It doesn't take much to throw me off.

mshchem said:

I have some of the Adox syrup on pre-order as well. I'm curious. I used HC-110 back in the square 16oz bottle days too. Marvelous stuff. I switched to XTOL and when I came back to try and get some HC-110 everything had changed. It doesn't take much to throw me off.

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Mine is on order and shipped via FEDEX. I am a little excited.

darkroommike said:

Mine is on order and shipped via FEDEX. I am a little excited.

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Ya, Freestyle's site shows that it's in stock

darkroommike said:

Mine is on order and shipped via FEDEX. I am a little excited.

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I just ordered a couple bottles of Syrup and a Adox E6 kit. I have plenty of chemistry, want to try out both. Sure would simplify storage.

My bottle showed up this week. Looks exactly like I remember hc110 looking. Planning on running a roll of Kentmere 200 I just finished in it tonight

thinkbrown said:

My bottle showed up this week. Looks exactly like I remember hc110 looking. Planning on running a roll of Kentmere 200 I just finished in it tonight

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Post results please

mshchem said:

Post results please

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Assuming I got anything good I will haha. At some point I'm also planning on doing a test comparing it to a bottle of actual old formula Kodak hc110 I've got buried in the fridge

thinkbrown said:

Assuming I got anything good I will haha. At some point I'm also planning on doing a test comparing it to a bottle of actual old formula Kodak hc110 I've got buried in the fridge

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I'm curious about developing times. I need to dig out my various ages of HC-110, I think I have a couple bottles from late 70's

Appears to do what it says on the tin haha

I shot this roll in my Pentax IQZoom 928.

Developed 1+31 for 4:30 at 74deg f (followed Ilford's temperature compensation chart based on the 6:00 time listed in the datasheet for Ilfotec HC 1+31 at 68deg f)

F4U said:

So, does that mean that the same product that is the subject of this thread is the real stuff?

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Yes it is.

That´s why we started to make it again. My first developer was Rodinal. I was 12 years old and had just started my own darkroom. At the age of 17 I went over to the US to enjoy an exchange year at Northern Lebanon High School in Fredericksburg, PA. There I reactivated an abandoned darkroom together with my arts teacher and we found a bottle of HC-110 from the 70ies. He was sceptical it still worked and I was naiv since I only knew Rodinal so I said: "sure it will" and.... surprisingly it did.
By accident I stumbled upon the Kodak version of Rodinal in respect to keeping properties ;-)
Since then these two developers have been my top choice.

Here in Europe we could buy the original recipe up to 2022.

When Tetenal folded up we brought the US version but we received many feedbacks that it "was not the same".

That´s literally it. We wanted to bring back the "real stuff". Call me old fashioned, if you want.
To me this is a reminescence of my high school times.

The new version is very good as well.

Does anyone need this "real stuff"?

Only those who want a very long lasting developer and those who work with the high dilutions.
For most other cases the new version is equally as good or even better to handle.

All Data Sheets for HC-110 can be used for the SYRUP (US Version due to Sino Promise trademark) or HC-110 PRO (european version).
The developer works 100% the same.

Its made in our factory in Bad Saarow. We had to invest for making this. Not a cacewalk.

Thank you for using our products.

Mirko

ADOX Fotoimpex said:

When Tetenal folded up we brought the US version but we received many feedbacks that it "was not the same".

That´s literally it. We wanted to bring back the "real stuff". Call me old fashioned, if you want.
To me this is a reminescence of my high school times.

The new version is very good as well.

Does anyone need this "real stuff"?

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Mirko, want to write my appreciation about what ADOX has been doing. Love the chemistry!
Am a HC110 occasional user and still continue to have old Kodak syrup available around thanks to its well known durability. I have switched myself to mostly using (and promoting) XT-3 instead.

The real HC-110 syrup is back! It's like developer DLC and it lasts forever.

DavidHopper said:

The real HC-110 syrup is back! It's like developer DLC and it lasts forever.

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Where? Is it available in Canada?

I just developed three rolls of Kentmere 200 in the new Adox HC-110 syrup because I had used up the last of my 15+y/o Kodak HC-110 and the times were exactly the same. This syrup is not quite as thick as my old Kodak developer and was actually easier to draw up with my syringe. Overall I'm pretty happy with this developer, not so much with your FX-39II.

I got a bottle of the FX-39 to try with your new HR-50 film and it worked well, but the keeping qualities absolutely suck. Three months latter after the first use (about a third of the bottle) the color of the developer turned quite dark. I thought that it might be like your Rodinal and was still good so I tried developing one roll...big mistake, the developer was beat and I hardly got an image at all.

Is this a common issue or did I just get a bad bottle. Aside from the spotty availability of some of your products, I will continue to give them a try, I might even try your FX-39 again although I will have to find a way to deal with the oxidation issue.

All in all I'd like to thank Adox for continuing to develop new films and chemicals for the analog community.

Robert Ley said:

I just developed three rolls of Kentmere 200 in the new Adox HC-110 syrup because I had used up the last of my 15+y/o Kodak HC-110 and the times were exactly the same. This syrup is not quite as thick as my old Kodak developer and was actually easier to draw up with my syringe. Overall I'm pretty happy with this developer, not so much with your FX-39II.

I got a bottle of the FX-39 to try with your new HR-50 film and it worked well, but the keeping qualities absolutely suck. Three months latter after the first use (about a third of the bottle) the color of the developer turned quite dark. I thought that it might be like your Rodinal and was still good so I tried developing one roll...big mistake, the developer was beat and I hardly got an image at all.

Is this a common issue or did I just get a bad bottle. Aside from the spotty availability of some of your products, I will continue to give them a try, I might even try your FX-39 again although I will have to find a way to deal with the oxidation issue.

All in all I'd like to thank Adox for continuing to develop new films and chemicals for the analog community.

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FX-39II is the opposite of a "long lasting developer". It´s a fantastioc developer in respect to what it does but the keeping properties are not it´s strength. Compared to Beutlers Neofin Red they were improved by Geoffrey Crawley and us but HC-110 or Rodinal are in a different league. FX-39 II you need to use up within a few months. But the pictorial results are stunning. I am drawn back and forth. I like ease of use and things that last (or are easy to fix) but my wife keeps telling me FX39 is our best developer......