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Deep pocket amateurs and semi-professionals who want something that isn't Kodak?
But 50% flash sale maybe coming soon…By email today -
Herewith the latest update! Firstly THANK YOU for your incredible patience. This year we’ve finished the manufacturing on THREE new colour products and are already lining up new black and white manufacturing runs for next year, as well. The delays have not been in the production at all, but in the final cartridging... After a lot of hard work, we have finally resolved (forever) our bottleneck with the all important cartridging/spooling.
We are very excited to confirm that we have established a completely new partnership for our photo-finishing -- the biggest bottleneck we have faced so far. After many meetings with potential vendors, we are now ready to power ahead with the long overdue packaging and shipping. This partnership will allow us to confection more than 1000-2000 canisters a day, almost immediately! See photos attached.
However, there are some slight changes that we wanted to make you aware of.
Firstly, pre-orders will ship directly from our three locations in Europe, USA and UK depending on your shipping address, meaning that these orders should get to you quicker than ever before when they were just shipping from one location.
Next, you spoke and we listened. Inspired by you, our ORWO photographic stock will now be packaged in an eco-friendly plastic packaging which can be recycled and in turn, making us as manufacturers, and you as consumers, more environmentally friendly every single time you use a reel of ORWO. This means that the films will no longer be packaged in DX coded steel canisters, and then inside a cardboard box. We will minimise waste and use materials that can be recycled!
We are still making a limited number of reels in the traditional packaging to satisfy the legacy users and previous orders already made. However, our aim is to always make sure that we are doing this at a strict minimum and then eventually eliminating, in the very near future, to reduce any/all unnecessary packing. However, regardless of its packaging you will always be able to enjoy the high quality results of ORWO film every single time you expose your shots
However, to make up for the waiting time that you have so patiently endured, we would like to exclusively offer you a 20% discount on your next purchase at www.orwo.shop
20% off Code: ORWOCORETHANKS
In addition to this, you may have noticed that our Colour Cine stocks have been released! Last night we started with a huge flash sale. Flash sales will become quite common place… basically every time that there is a bulk order for a movie, there will be a limited time flash sale - where the economy of scale of their buying power, will be passed to you, the consumer — this flash sale was created by a sale of bulk colour cine stock which is to be used on an upcoming WW1 feature film production in the UK in January. So always be keeping your eyes peeled for whenever we have these flash sales for all of our exciting new Motion Picture releases.
In fact, keep your eye out. Who knows, maybe we have an up to 50% off sale coming in the next 7 days for a limited time only. Who knows?
It’s an exciting time to be a user of ORWO Film and we appreciate your patience.
Herewith the latest update! Firstly THANK YOU for your incredible patience. This year we’ve finished the manufacturing on THREE new colour products and are already lining up new black and white manufacturing runs for next year, as well. The delays have not been in the production at all, but in the final cartridging... After a lot of hard work, we have finally resolved (forever) our bottleneck with the all important cartridging/spooling.
We are very excited to confirm that we have established a completely new partnership for our photo-finishing -- the biggest bottleneck we have faced so far. After many meetings with potential vendors, we are now ready to power ahead with the long overdue packaging and shipping. This partnership will allow us to confection more than 1000-2000 canisters a day, almost immediately! See photos attached.
However, there are some slight changes that we wanted to make you aware of.
Firstly, pre-orders will ship directly from our three locations in Europe, USA and UK depending on your shipping address, meaning that these orders should get to you quicker than ever before when they were just shipping from one location.
Next, you spoke and we listened. Inspired by you, our ORWO photographic stock will now be packaged in an eco-friendly plastic packaging which can be recycled and in turn, making us as manufacturers, and you as consumers, more environmentally friendly every single time you use a reel of ORWO. This means that the films will no longer be packaged in DX coded steel canisters, and then inside a cardboard box. We will minimise waste and use materials that can be recycled!
We are still making a limited number of reels in the traditional packaging to satisfy the legacy users and previous orders already made. However, our aim is to always make sure that we are doing this at a strict minimum and then eventually eliminating, in the very near future, to reduce any/all unnecessary packing. However, regardless of its packaging you will always be able to enjoy the high quality results of ORWO film every single time you expose your shots
However, to make up for the waiting time that you have so patiently endured, we would like to exclusively offer you a 20% discount on your next purchase at www.orwo.shop
20% off Code: ORWOCORETHANKS
In addition to this, you may have noticed that our Colour Cine stocks have been released! Last night we started with a huge flash sale. Flash sales will become quite common place… basically every time that there is a bulk order for a movie, there will be a limited time flash sale - where the economy of scale of their buying power, will be passed to you, the consumer — this flash sale was created by a sale of bulk colour cine stock which is to be used on an upcoming WW1 feature film production in the UK in January. So always be keeping your eyes peeled for whenever we have these flash sales for all of our exciting new Motion Picture releases.
In fact, keep your eye out. Who knows, maybe we have an up to 50% off sale coming in the next 7 days for a limited time only. Who knows?
It’s an exciting time to be a user of ORWO Film and we appreciate your patience.
Based brbo.
Same notice I got as I ordered the Orwo P400 V3 a few months ago
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Here's a thread from the cinematography.com forums with some more sample images and thoughts from a motion picture perspective. Interesting to note it was pointed out that NC500 in 16mm is pretty competitvely priced compared to Vision3, while 35mm...isn't.
Interesting is that the statement above was seemingly written by someone alien to the industry, and that at the alleged manufacturer Filmotec these "THREE new colour products" are not hinted at with a word, but only show up at their news section, mostly even only indirectly, and only as one product.
However the colour film shows up at the site of Inoviscoat.
However the colour film shows up at the site of Inoviscoat.
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Hier Flavio, jetzt bin ich wieder hier......
.To answer your questions:
First we have to make clear which companies are involved: InovisCoat and FilmoTec on the production side, and investment company Seal 1818 as the current owner of both companies. All three companies entered an insolvency and restructuring process due to (new) German law at the beginning of 2022 (see the thread in the "Industry News" subforum). So they are operating under quite strict legal restrictions.
ORWO as a film factory does not exist anymore for decades. But several different spin-offs of that huge factory in Bitterfeld-Wolfen were founded and have been operating since then successfully.
One of these spin-offs has been FilmoTec in Bitterfeld-Wolfen https://filmotec.de/. They have been specialised in BW film production of special BW films.
They were founded in 1998.
They can make BW emulsions in-house, and confectioning / converting of movie film formats (slitting and perforating, packaging of movie films).
FilmoTec has no own industrial-scale coating machine in-house (only a small test / pilot coater). When they were founded they cooperated with Forte, Forte being their coating partner. After Forte stopped operation, FilmoTec cooperated with Harman technology for coating (all official information given by the FilmoTec CEO of that time in an interview with the German economy newspaper "Handelsblatt"; so no secrets). Later they cooperated with InovisCoat as coating partner.
FilmoTec has also no in-house capabilities for confectioning / converting the most widespread photo film formats 135 and 120.
They have the right to use the ORWO brand name for photographic film.
InovisCoat (Monheim, Germany) was founded by former Agfa (Leverkusen, Germany) staff. They bought lots of Agfa machinery from the closed Agfa factory in Leverkusen, including the main parts of the big film coating machine. This coating machinery was scaled down a bit (reduced coating width) and modernised at the new location and factory in Monheim near Leverkusen.
In this factory emulsion production and coating on a large industrial scale is possible. But no confectioning and converting.
The factory started operation in 2008. The business concept was to evolve away from photographic products by using modern coating technology in other fields (like e.g. pharmaceutical products). But that concept did not work as intended and InovisCoat got into insolvency in 2011.
One result of this insolvency process was that the new, modern factory changed ownership: The new owner was Inovisproject, a daugther company of (now again) Polaroid. They needed urgently an emulsion making and coating facility for the colour negative film base of their instant films. Because in their factory in Enschede that essential production part cannot be done (I have visited the Polaroid factory and R&D section some years ago).
So since then the factory and production staff in Monheim belongs to the Polaroid daughter Inovisproject.
And the production of colour negative film base for the Polaroid instant films is by far the most important and dominant product produced there. It's a high volume production as the demand for Polaroid instant film has significantly increased over the years.
After that insolvency, separation and changing ownership of the factory InovisCoat continued operation in a different way, more like a small intellectual property and R&D company. They had / have contracts with Inovisproject that gives them access / the right to use the factory in certain time slots for production of their own products. And InovisCoat has done developing and manufacturing of products (photo and non-photo) over the years for several other companies and brands. Examples are the Lomography experimental colour films (like Tourquois, Purple and Metropolis) and Bergger Pancro 400, and BW coating runs for FilmoTec.
I visited InovisCoat in spring 2019, and got a a very detailed factory visit and talked to the leading staff (economic and technical staff). Extremely fascinating.
At that time they were in the final R&D process of two completely new colour films (for a different brand / customer), which were planned for market introduction at the end of 2019 / beginning of 2020.
That project could not be finished in the planned way. Several obstacles and problems occured which in the end resulted in another insolvency process.
Also a brain-drain happened, as all of the former experienced leading economic and technical staff left the company (at FilmoTec also several very experienced former long-term employees are not working there anymore).
The C-41 photo film which was in the final R&D process at the time of my visit had at least seen one coating run. It was later bought during the insolvency process by a well reputed photo film company and is meanwhile available as 135 film.
So the whole structure is a bit complex:
- InovisCoat has knowledge in both making colour and BW films, but do not has an own factory. But they have contracts and access to the Inovisproject (Polaroid daugther) factory in Monheim. In this factory emulsion production and coating is done, but no confectioning / converting.
- FilmoTec has knowledge and production capabilities in BW emulsion making, but no own coating machine for industrial-scale coating. Confectioning of movie film formats is done in-house.
- For confectioning of 135 and 120 film a separate production partner is needed.
- Since the acquisition by Seal 1818, both companies operate under the same "roof".
- We will have to wait and see how the insolvency / restructuring process will turn out.
Best regards,
Henning
Thank you Henning for such a detailed and precise explanation.
Wonderful information from Henning. I'm not wonderfully impressed with the results from the Orwo branded film but I applaud the efforts of all involved and hope they succeed. I'm still hoping something like Orwo N74 B&W neg film returns in 8mm cine format. Shot my final roll last month and it's lovely stuff.
Is there any results from the orders for the Orwo NP500.? My P400 V3 arrived but it was unperforated, so they are sending me the correct order presently but was wondering about the other Orwo films.
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Just got an email from reformedfilmlab that the new Orwo Wolfen is in stock. $19/36 exp for NC400. $16.50/35 exp for NC500.
This here is Orwo's marketing blurb for NC400. I am not making this up:
Wolfen NC400 400 ISO 35mm x 36exp. Color Negative Film from ORWO is one of the first brand new and professionally finished photo films launched by the company in decades, proudly still produced in Bitterfeld-Wolfen on the original site where film manufacture has been a tradition since 1910.
At the core of this new color film lies a unique chemical formula based on the wonderful and legendary Agfa stock last used in the BAFTA award winning film "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" with the best selling soundtrack provided by the awesome photographer/musician Bryan Adams.
Similar to its sister, the NC500, but with less grain and more deliberately vibrant in certain colors -- you will find that the NC400 is uniquely balanced towards greens, desaturated shadows and a more subtle grain, these are all aspects that we are embracing for the new addition.
With the WOLFEN NC400, they are not trying to imitate current stocks available on the market, they are creating an alternative - something with wholly different characteristics and a different, exciting new palette. Crank up Bryan Adams' classic "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You" and shoot from the hip.
This here is Orwo's marketing blurb for NC400. I am not making this up:
Wolfen NC400 400 ISO 35mm x 36exp. Color Negative Film from ORWO is one of the first brand new and professionally finished photo films launched by the company in decades, proudly still produced in Bitterfeld-Wolfen on the original site where film manufacture has been a tradition since 1910.
At the core of this new color film lies a unique chemical formula based on the wonderful and legendary Agfa stock last used in the BAFTA award winning film "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" with the best selling soundtrack provided by the awesome photographer/musician Bryan Adams.
Similar to its sister, the NC500, but with less grain and more deliberately vibrant in certain colors -- you will find that the NC400 is uniquely balanced towards greens, desaturated shadows and a more subtle grain, these are all aspects that we are embracing for the new addition.
With the WOLFEN NC400, they are not trying to imitate current stocks available on the market, they are creating an alternative - something with wholly different characteristics and a different, exciting new palette. Crank up Bryan Adams' classic "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You" and shoot from the hip.
Nice one, Orwo! US gets the NC500 before those who preordered and paid for it back in June...
Seriously? That is messed up.
I give them a year before going belly-up...
I live in the U.S., and preordered 3 rolls of NC500 last summer through ORWO’s website. I have yet to receive them and have not heard a thing, yet apparently you can get it now through reformedfilmlab. That is messed up.
That is indeed very disappoiting.
Quality and price also don't look very appealing.
The new Anglo-American management seems to work worse compared to the former German management.
The film could be better or worse but fulfilling the paid preorders (mine among them) first before offering it to retailers is just basic good manners if you want to run a business. This Orwo thing is not looking good...
Well I received the proper 100' roll of P400 V3 and this is claimed to be perforated. The bottom states 35 P-4750 (KS-1870) El so it should be good. Happy with the replies and action from their site. Many thanks to Orwo for their prompt action but I see other customers are not very happy with them but FilmoTec has fulfilled their part of my order.
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KS-1870 are long-pitch motion picture perforations; should work fine.
10 days later and I still haven't gotten a reply from them.
Either this is a very poorly functioning business or they just scammed a bunch of people.
I received the 3 rolls I preordered last summer through ORWO’s, today in the mail. The order was sent from the UK. The film shipped in metal screw-top cans, not plastic, like film did decades ago. Nice touch. I guess that throwback was the aesthetic they were going for.
Both of my large rolls also came with metal canisters. Mine was post marked from Germany and I found you have to be persistent with them for a fast reply. I did post a few photos of the P400 V3 film that was recently developed, and I was very pleased with the results.
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