Oh Man! Plaubel Makina III!

[Col_001]

Can anyone tell me how to tell the difference between filters for the i, ii and the iis,iii,iiir lenses? Looking at one of the close filters which I know come in two versions (makina lists two), but the seller doesn't know which it could be. Were the filter sizes different? Or are they optically different?

 

[Nokton48]

Most Plaubel Makinas III and IIIR came with the 100mm F2.9 Anticomar lens which takes the illustrated filters, this is my collections. These also fit the F4.2 Antimcomar 100mm and the 73mm Orthar wide angle lens.

Makina Filters What I have by Nokton48, on Flickr

 

[Nokton48]

My Makina II takes a black Plaubel filter much smaller than the one for the more modern Makinas.

It would help if we know what camera and lens you have. There are variations out there

 

[Ares_der_Ruderer]

Most Plaubel Makinas III and IIIR came with the 100mm F2.9 Anticomar lens which takes the illustrated filters, this is my collections. These also fit the F4.2 Antimcomar 100mm and the 73mm Orthar wide angle lens.

Makina Filters What I have by Nokton48, on Flickr

WOW thats alot of filters ! No wonder I can't find any on ebay, seems like you've got all the supply Nokton hahaha

 

[Ares_der_Ruderer]

My Makina II takes a black Plaubel filter much smaller than the one for the more modern Makinas.

It would help if we know what camera and lens you have. There are variations out there

Quick question, would a filter for the Makina I/II fit onto a quick change Anticomar or Orthar found with the IIS/III/IIIR ? Other attachments designed for the I/II Anticomar like the R0.1 Close up attachment or the 4.5 Reflex Ring will fit the IIS/III/IIIR aformentioned lenses.

 

[Col_001]

My Makina II takes a black Plaubel filter much smaller than the one for the more modern Makinas.

It would help if we know what camera and lens you have. There are variations out there

I've got a iis. Which looks like it's 40.5 or 41.5mm. so the i &ii take smaller filters? Because that would make it easy to distinguish between them.

 

[Ares_der_Ruderer]

I've got a iis. Which looks like it's 40.5 or 41.5mm. so the i &ii take smaller filters? Because that would make it easy to distinguish between them.

For a IIS, the filters as seen on Nokton's picture are the technically appropriate ones. But as I mentioned on my question directed at him, I know that at least certain close up filters and other attachments for the I/II will go on a quick change Anticomar for the IIS/III/IIIR. I am not sure if this is the case for colour glass filters for the I/II also.

 

[Col_001]

For a IIS, the filters as seen on Nokton's picture are the technically appropriate ones. But as I mentioned on my question directed at him, I know that at least certain close up filters and other attachments for the I/II will go on a quick change Anticomar for the IIS/III/IIIR. I am not sure if this is the case for colour glass filters for the I/II also.

From this page: https://camerapedia.fandom.com/wiki/Makina

And this info in it:

• filter and close-up lenses (first # for Makina I and II, second # for Makina IIS, III, IIIR)
  

  • close-up lens T 1,5, fits all lenses, distance of 65cm with standard lens, #125/1, #483
  • close-up lens DIN, fits all lenses, distance of 45cm with standard lens, #485
  • close-up lens R 0,1, fits only wide angle and standard lenses, for lifesize reproduction, #125, #484
  • yellow, light, #118, #505
  • yellow, medium, #118/1, #505/1
  • yellow, strong, #118/2, #505/2
  • orange, #118/3, #505/3
  • green, #120, #506
  • red, #120/1, #506/1
  • blue, #120/2, #506/2
  • ultra-violet, #120/3, #506/3

filter thread size (behind the shutter) :41,5mm

It would appear that only the DIN filter fits both.. confusing if they both have the same filter size.

 

[Nokton48]

My Makina II Yellow Filter by Nokton48, on Flickr

I leave this filter on my Makina II all the time. With calipers the outside thread diameter measures 37.5mm My camera has the 10cm F2.9 Anticomar

 

[Ares_der_Ruderer]

From this page: https://camerapedia.fandom.com/wiki/Makina

And this info in it:
It would appear that only the DIN filter fits both.. confusing if they both have the same filter size.

The R0.1 attachment I have Im pretty sure is for the I/II but threads onto the front of the anticomar on my IIIR just fine. Same with V2/V3 extention attachments that I own, and I am pretty sure the same applies for the 4.5 Reflex ring, though I do not have one to test with. I'm pretty sure the same will apply to the glass lenses. Really it makes sense that filters and attachments between the anticomars are interchangeable, as the lens diameters (and thus lens ring threads) must be the same, given they are essentially for the same system, the only operating difference being the position of the shutter. The principal change that was made in introducing the larger filters/attachments as seen in Nokton's pictures, was to make them able to fit to the now standardised Tele-Makinar also, something that could not be done with the original filters.

 

[removed account4]

48'
I always enjoy your camera porn threads !
I had never heard of a makina camera before reading your posts
thankfully you and the handful of other people in this thread have most of them
cause it look a deep hole to follow the white rabbit

 

[Ares_der_Ruderer]

48'
I always enjoy your camera porn threads !
I had never heard of a makina camera before reading your posts
thankfully you and the handful of other people in this thread have most of them
cause it look a deep hole to follow the white rabbit

The Makinas are not uncommon cameras, but given their primary function as tools for reporters, they are most often found in a sorry state and missing most attachments/ accessories. Getting them serviced is also a hassle, and for some they seem to be unwieldly. But if you are able to look past the "flaws", and can find a decent example with at least a small assortment of extras, they trully live up to the reputation of being the Leicas of the medium format world.

 

[Col_001]

My Makina II Yellow Filter by Nokton48, on Flickr

I leave this filter on my Makina II all the time. With calipers the outside thread diameter measures 37.5mm My camera has the 10cm F2.9 Anticomar

The R0.1 attachment I have Im pretty sure is for the I/II but threads onto the front of the anticomar on my IIIR just fine. Same with V2/V3 extention attachments that I own, and I am pretty sure the same applies for the 4.5 Reflex ring, though I do not have one to test with. I'm pretty sure the same will apply to the glass lenses. Really it makes sense that filters and attachments between the anticomars are interchangeable, as the lens diameters (and thus lens ring threads) must be the same, given they are essentially for the same system, the only operating difference being the position of the shutter. The principal change that was made in introducing the larger filters/attachments as seen in Nokton's pictures, was to make them able to fit to the now standardised Tele-Makinar also, something that could not be done with the original filters.

So, generally earlier versions are 37.5mm threads and later 41.5mm.

 

[Col_001]

And for those interested, I thought you might like to see the 7.3cm orthar in CLA mode.

 

[Ares_der_Ruderer]

And for those interested, I thought you might like to see the 7.3cm orthar in CLA mode.

Very nice. Are you performing the CLA yourself ?

 

[Col_001]

Very nice. Are you performing the CLA yourself ?

Yes. I recently bought a completely gunked up agfa record iii with the solinar in a compur rapid. I successfully rebuilt the shutter, rangefinder and camera as my first CLA, with the help of a lot of YouTube. Got the bug now. This is simple in comparison. It's just getting your eye in.

 

[Nokton48]

Scan-161104-0001 by Nokton48, on Flickr

This is the uber rare 100mm F4.2 Anticomar on the Plaubel Makina IIIR. Uber sharpness for reportage and commercial uses according to Plaubel The is "Ye Olde Ice Cream Factory in Utica, Ohio. Original mill millstone on display just to the left of the running mill. A good test in an architectural detail shot displaying the acuity of the F4.2 Anticomar Notice how prcisely you can compose at the edges of the frame. Impeccible. Leica quality MF RF!

 

[Nokton48]

Two Good Shooting Tools by Nokton48, on Flickr

On the left my Makina IIIR with 100mm F2.9 Anticomar, Focal Plane Shutter attached, you focus with the small scale directly below the front optical viewer, it's on the backside. Never noticed it was there, heh heh. Geoff Berliner agreed with me that this is an important accessory, since you can shoot high speed 400 film at 1/1000 which is a distinct advantage, when you are trying to shoot wider open with a distinctive F2.9 speedo lens. BTW I have standardized shooting Ilford PanF+, it's the perfect speed for this 6x9cm photography. High speed film was like EI 100 back in those days. 1/1000 was a huge selling point. Using the focal plane shutter is really quite a hoot. You measure the distance using the reg camera rangefinder, then set that distance on the scale on the flip side of the bottom of the front finder bottom. 50 ISO film is the sweet spot with these cameras. The trigger for the focal plane shutter (which becomes the camera release) is the lever right next to the rear optical finder stack. So you hold the camera differently with the focal plane shutter.

On the right is my venerable and totally lovable Makina II stealth black camera also with 6x9cm back and Ilford PanF+. This one does everything I want and need very precisely. It like transports me back to the twenties it's a lot of fun to use and very intuitive in practice.

I am recently enjoying using both of these fine cameras. Folded up not too bad to carry around, even with the roll backs. Guess that was the real point of the design, to be stealthy in reportage. A blast to use, recommended

 

[snusmumriken]

Have you Makina collectors seen this little stash?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164998064564?hash=item266aa6a9b4:g:V5IAAOSw4BhhCWq6

 

[Nokton48]

Nice collection.

Focal Plane Shutter Distance Scales Makina IIIR by Nokton48, on Flickr

• Distance Scale on the Makina IIIR for use with the Focal Plane Shutter. Quite precise first you find your distance using the standard rangefinder setup, then transfer to this distance scale which compensates for the thickness of the shutter. Works perfectly in practice. Fits well on the IIIR as it takes all the lenses and attachments. Never noticed this scale until I got the shutter. There is a trigger button sticking out of the shutter box, that fires the FP shutter. Speeds from 1/100 to 1/1000 great for close range sports or reportage. Anything requiring stoop action with fast film

 

[Nokton48]

Kamera Reihe Makina 1952 by Knapp by Nokton48, on Flickr

1956 Plaubel Makina Focal Plane Shutter 2 by Nokton48, on Flickr

1956 Plaubel Makina Focal Plane Shutter by Nokton48, on Flickr

Information on the Plaubel Makina Focal Plane Shutter. Kamera-Reihe Makina by Knapp

 

[Nokton48]

Makina III F4.2 F2.9 Anticomar Modern Sync by Nokton48, on Flickr

The Plaubel Makina III moves into the studio with the Makiflexes. Two lenses, the speedo F2.9 Anticomar, and the uber sharp F4.2 Anticomar. Makina Yellow Filters and original Lenshoods . These will both get some more use. Glenn Evans had the original Makina Strobe Sync Plug with fires my 70s era Broncolor strobes just fine. Plaubel recommended the F4.2 lens for commercial product shooting. Shown plugged into my Paramount homemade Pulso Sync cord. With the F2.9 lens I'll be selecting Ilford Pan F at EI 50 which gives me about 1/125 wide open or so outdoors. If I want uber sharpness with the F4.2 lens I will switch to EI 100 Delta 100

 

[Nokton48]

Shoring Up my Makina Kit by Nokton48, on Flickr

Shorin' up my Makina kit for spring walking around. Makina IIIR with 100mm F4.2 Sharp Anticomar on the back left. On the right is stealth black Makina II with 100mm F2.9 Orthometar speedy soft lens. I have three Makina 6x9cm 120 backs loaded with my go-to film for these cameras, Ilford PanF+. On the slower interesting side is another Makina 6x9 loaded with ISO 25 MACO ORT 25. This is real slow orthochromatic emulsion, really contrasty but I like it and WOW uber sharp. For faster shooting especially with the sharp F4.2 Orthometar is one more Makina 6x9cm back, loaded with Delta 100 which is a new film for me to use, I do like TMAX100 and this is similar I believe. Should be good with the uber sharp F4.2. Plaubel recommended the F4.2 for travel, reportage, and commercial use. I'm going to wrap the extra backs in bubble wrap, then load into my Swiss Medical Bag. Grab a body and maybe a meter and that's it. Also my notebook

 

[Nokton48]

001 by Nokton48, on Flickr

My Swedish Medical Bag from the local military surplus store. The film backs are beeg and heavy but still work work well for their age. Take some getting use to. Roger Hicks hated them but I have warmed up to their uses. Space between frames increases if you go back to using the olde 120 wooden spool as a take-up inside each back. I picked up a good number and still use them

 

[Nokton48]

Shell Sweep Table Makina IIIR PanF D23 1to1 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Shell Sweep Table Broncolor C171 Beauty Light Plaubel Makina IIIR with 100mm F4.2 Orthometar. The sharp, not soft Makina lens. Yellow Makina Filter. PanF+ in Makina 6x9cm 120 back D23 1:1. 8x10 Arista RC #2 Dektol 1:2 Omega DII laser aligned 180mm black Rodagon. Handheld