New Cinestill 400D film announced

[awty]

I think using the 85b filter in daylight with tungsten film is the correct way.

I had a look and found one and as well a roll of slow iso film I bought ages ago, coupled with a recently purchased F100 camera and tripod, I can see for myself what it can do.
I'm keen to try my hand at ra4 printing at some stage, have the equipment, don't mind messing with colour.

 

[reddesert]

I use an 85b for 3200k (tungsten) film in 5500k daylight

Yes, typically the procedure is to use 85B filter (orangeish warming) for tungsten film in day light, and 80A (bluish cooling) for daylight film under tungsten lights. There are weaker versions of each and the naming isn't totally logical, for ex an 85 filter is slightly less warming than an 85B, and the 81a,b,c filters are much less.

Comparing the filter curve of an 85B filter to the orange (cuts blue) filter used with black and white film will show they are very different and cannot be interchanged.

I used an 80A filter to make slides of paintings under incandescent bulbs BITD, using daylight slide film, which was easier to get than tungsten balanced.

 

[Steven Lee]

I was one of the early Kickstarter backers and I just finished my first 5-roll batch of the 400D in medium format. We do not have a lot of CN options in 120 these days, so I welcome what Cinestill is doing. A few thoughts:

The orange mask is on a strong side, and the overall appearance of negatives has a purple tint. In that sense it's closer to Fuji 400h than to any of the Portras.

Before I comment on colors, I'll start with the mandatory disclaimer: just like any other CN film it does not have any practical "palette", you dial in the desired color during scanning. What I am sharing here is the starting point you'll be working with. It is warm. Not Gold level warm though. I have spent a few hours inverting 400D colors manually and I would rank it somewhere between Portra 400 (easy) and Fuji 400H (moderate) in terms of how challenging it is to get the colors you want. Ektar is somewhat similar, not in its default appearance but in the effort it requires to get the color you want. Superia and Ultramax are harder.

Two cinestillisms stand out:

1. All rolls I've received had been pre-fogged on the edges a little. None of the images were affected though.
2. The red halation is out of control. It is present on practically every daytime photo, so you better like it! I find it charming.

Sample:

I do not know what the retail pricing is going to be, but I would definitely be buying it again if it's priced similarly to Gold 200 in 120, i.e. much lower than Portra 400. It's nice to have a budget option for ISO 400 CN film.

 

[logan2z]

I just received an email blast from Cinestill that the film is now available. $14.99/roll for 35mm/36 exposure and 120.

400Dynamic Versatile Color Negative Film, 35mm

CineStill 400Dynamic is a fine-grain, daylight-balanced color negative film that delivers a soft color palette with natural saturation and rich, warm skin tones. The film has a wide dynamic range with a base sensitivity of ISO 400, but can be rated from 200 to 800 (without push processing) and...

cinestillfilm.com

At these prices, I'm glad I only shoot B&W.

 

[Steven Lee]

I just received an email blast from Cinestill that the film is now available. $14.99/roll for 35mm/36 exposure and 120.

That's ridiculous. Portra 400 and Fuji 400h are $11.99/roll at my local photo store and they are superior films.

 

[Huss]

That's ridiculous. Portra 400 and Fuji 400h are $11.99/roll at my local photo store and they are superior films.

Who is your local shop? The cheapest I could find was $13 for Portra 400 120 and $16 for Portra 400 36exp.

As for superior films, depends on what look you are going for.

 

[Huss]

I was one of the early Kickstarter backers and I just finished my first 5-roll batch of the 400D in medium format. We do not have a lot of CN options in 120 these days, so I welcome what Cinestill is doing. A few thoughts:

The orange mask is on a strong side, and the overall appearance of negatives has a purple tint. In that sense it's closer to Fuji 400h than to any of the Portras.

Before I comment on colors, I'll start with the mandatory disclaimer: just like any other CN film it does not have any practical "palette", you dial in the desired color during scanning. What I am sharing here is the starting point you'll be working with. It is warm. Not Gold level warm though. I have spent a few hours inverting 400D colors manually and I would rank it somewhere between Portra 400 (easy) and Fuji 400H (moderate) in terms of how challenging it is to get the colors you want. Ektar is somewhat similar, not in its default appearance but in the effort it requires to get the color you want. Superia and Ultramax are harder.

Two cinestillisms stand out:

1. All rolls I've received had been pre-fogged on the edges a little. None of the images were affected though.
2. The red halation is out of control. It is present on practically every daytime photo, so you better like it! I find it charming.

Sample:
View attachment 319447

I do not know what the retail pricing is going to be, but I would definitely be buying it again if it's priced similarly to Gold 200 in 120, i.e. much lower than Portra 400. It's nice to have a budget option for ISO 400 CN film.

hey thanks for posting actual pics taken with it! Please post more if you get the chance.

 

[Steven Lee]

Who is your local shop? The cheapest I could find was $13 for Portra 400 120 and $16 for Portra 400 36exp.
As for superior films, depends on what look you are going for.

Fuji Pro 400H 120 (20 roll limit) — Glass Key Photo

Fuji Pro400H single roll 120. Since this film has been discontinued, there is a limit of 20 rolls.

www.glasskeyphoto.com

Portra 400 120 — Glass Key Photo

Kodak Portra 400 color neg. film single roll 120

www.glasskeyphoto.com

These are 120, but I believe their 35mm prices are also lower than $16 per 36exp.

 

[Steven Lee]

hey thanks for posting actual pics taken with it! Please post more if you get the chance.

I have a bunch of family portraits, not allowed to share those But I found one more image:

 

[Huss]

Fuji Pro 400H 120 (20 roll limit) — Glass Key Photo

Fuji Pro400H single roll 120. Since this film has been discontinued, there is a limit of 20 rolls.

www.glasskeyphoto.com

Portra 400 120 — Glass Key Photo

Kodak Portra 400 color neg. film single roll 120

www.glasskeyphoto.com

These are 120, but I believe their 35mm prices are also lower than $16 per 36exp.

Thanks!

 

[AnselMortensen]

I was a kickstarter supporter for 4x5 and 220...
I am waiting for my 4x5 (delivery date was pushed back).
I'm hoping they make 220, but if they don't, I'll receive 2x the amount of 120.
Really hoping for 220!

 

[Huss]

I have a bunch of family portraits, not allowed to share those But I found one more image:
View attachment 320175

Nice shot! you definitely can see the red halation on the supports.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Really hoping for 220!

Since I've now got two 220 backs (both in 6x7) that fit both my RB67 and my Century Graphic, I wouldn't mind having another 220 film besides GP3. Not critical -- I originally got the actual RB67 220 back to shoot 35 mm (which won't work in the RH20, but GP3 apparently does).

 

[Steven Lee]

 

[Huss]

View attachment 320263

The slight sepia/coppery tone really is nice. A signature of this film. Great shot!

 

[Steven Lee]

Thanks. Yes, the halation is always there, so there's always the tint of sephia in the highlights.

 

[mshchem]

Is Cinestill the only company that Eastman Kodak coats cine film without Remjet for?

No way that Cinestill is removing Remjet before spooling.

Is EK spooling Cinestill films ie finishing, converting, packaging??

 

[MattKing]

Is Cinestill the only company that Eastman Kodak coats cine film without Remjet for?

No way that Cinestill is removing Remjet before spooling.

Is EK spooling Cinestill films ie finishing, converting, packaging??

1) maybe. but only if no-one else has come up with the bucks for it. The Flic Film product might be sourced that way.
2) That is how they initially did it, but apparently not any more.
3) No. They don't have enough capacity. The Kodak brand films use up all the converting capacity they have, and they are still backlogged with them.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Well, perhaps Cinestill does have a process to remove the remjet without disturbing the sensitizing dyes etc. -- because now there's another film brand on the market that appears to be Vision3 with the remjet removed, and they're much smaller than Cinestill has become.

That said, Cinestill is at least getting pancakes cut in 61.5 mm unperfed, which they then confection (or have confectioned) as the 120 version of their offerings.

 

[MattKing]

Well, perhaps Cinestill does have a process to remove the remjet without disturbing the sensitizing dyes etc.

They did that initially, but it wasn't 100% reliable. I think it must have been a very manual approach that involved physical scrubbing.

 

[Sonynolta User]

They did that initially, but it wasn't 100% reliable. I think it must have been a very manual approach that involved physical scrubbing.

Can you imagine being the poor idiot in the back room, working in the dark all day, scrubbing remjet off film, trying not to scratch the emulsion, trying to get it all off and dealing with miles of wet film?

 

[MattKing]

Can you imagine being the poor idiot in the back room, working in the dark all day, scrubbing remjet off film, trying not to scratch the emulsion, trying to get it all off and dealing with miles of wet film?

Not quite the same experience, but it does make me think of the women (they were almost all women) who worked doing pre-splice work at the Kodak Canada Kodachrome lab where my Dad was customer service manager between 1961 and 1983.
All day, every day in the dark. Taking each customer roll out of the envelope, opening it, and then splicing it to the previous roll on the big, three mile reel (one mile of leader, one mile of spliced customer films, one mile of trailer). In the dark the entire time, working by touch and muscle memory.
I'm sure they had worked out a health protecting break routine, because apparently they were healthy and happy and productive employees. But still ....

 

[mshchem]

I read on the Flic website, I didn't check every film offered, that there was remjet on the 500T

Cine Film | Flic Film

flicfilm.ca

I have no idea how EK handled the Alaris v. Cinestill negotiations. I have no real interest in using movie film when Kodak made color still film is available. Even at the current prices Portra, Ektar, Ektachrome etc. are amazing films

 

[pbromaghin]

I read on the Flic website, I didn't check every film offered, that there was remjet on the 500T

Cine Film | Flic Film

flicfilm.ca

I have no idea how EK handled the Alaris v. Cinestill negotiations. I have no real interest in using movie film when Kodak made color still film is available. Even at the current prices Portra, Ektar, Ektachrome etc. are amazing films

It appears that since Vision3 is cinematic film, it is outside the Alaris contract.

 

[Sirius Glass]

And now for a 400 ISO Tungsten film for night photography!