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MCB18 · Jun 3, 2023

Radost said:
I have not purchased it Ye….
Yes CInestill sales vision and XX Cine film bulk.

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Interesting. I’m fairly confident that it’s just drop shipped from Kodak though, and TBH I don’t mind paying the $10 shipping fee. Especially for a film like E100D, where I’m dropping $550 to order it, I have much more peace of mind knowing that it came direct from Kodak, and hasn’t been sitting in a non climate controlled warehouse for months.

In fact, I know my E100D was literally a fresh as possible, because I was told when I ordered that I had just missed the first batch available to the public, and had to wait about a week for the second batch to be produced.

By the way, why is E100D $650 at CineStill? That’s $100 more than I paid from Kodak including shipping and taxes! Lol.

Radost · Jun 3, 2023

MCB18 said:
Interesting. I’m fairly confident that it’s just drop shipped from Kodak though, and TBH I don’t mind paying the $10 shipping fee. Especially for a film like E100D, where I’m dropping $550 to order it, I have much more price of mind knowing that it came direct from Kodak.

By the way, why is E100D $650 at CineStill? That’s $100 more than I paid from Kodak including shipping and taxes! Lol.

A lot of the film is pick up at Cinestill Hollywood Only,
Where did you buy it from Kodak?

MCB18 · Jun 3, 2023

Radost said:
A lot of the film is pick up at Cinestill Hollywood Only,
Where did you buy it from Kodak?

You can email or call Kodak directly and they’ll ship you film. Lemme find the contact info.

Email: EIAmericas@kodak.com
Phone: 1-800-356-3259

Radost · Jun 3, 2023

MCB18 said:
You can email or call Kodak directly and they’ll ship you film. Lemme find the contact info.

Email: EIAmericas@kodak.com
Phone: 1-800-356-3259

Is the ektachrome cine the same as e100 still?

MCB18 · Jun 3, 2023

Radost said:
Is the ektachrome cine the same as e100 still?

Yeah, literally the same stuff, just with Cine perfs and in a much longer roll. Also about 5x as cheap as the pre-packaged film.

MattKing · Jun 3, 2023

Radost said:
Is the ektachrome cine the same as e100 still?

MCB18 said:
Yeah, literally the same stuff, just with Cine perfs and in a much longer roll. Also about 5x as cheap as the pre-packaged film.

As well as no frame numbers - keycodes instead.
It is on a motion picture film core - not the small 1 inch core that 100 foot bulk loads traditionally come on.

MCB18 · Jun 3, 2023

MattKing said:
As well as no frame numbers - keycodes instead.
It is on a motion picture film core - not the small 1 inch core that 100 foot bulk loads traditionally come on.

Frame numbers are kinda pointless on bulk rolls anyway.

Side note: 1 inch film cores with 100 feet of film will fit in bulk loaders. Though honestly I’ve found it’s easier to just load in the dark, much more consistent and you have a bunch more control over how much film goes in.

MattKing · Jun 3, 2023

MCB18 said:
Frame numbers are kinda pointless on bulk rolls anyway.

Side note: 1 inch film cores with 100 feet of film will fit in bulk loaders. Though honestly I’ve found it’s easier to just load in the dark, much more consistent and you have a bunch more control over how much film goes in.

The motion picture film cores are bigger, so if you use them, you can't put 100 feet of film into most 100 foot bulk loaders - it won't fit. If you have any extra smaller cores, don't discard them.
And as for frame numbers, many photographers use them to catalogue and organize images - particularly if they are digitizing their results.
And traditionally, labs used them for print/scan orders.
With negatives, you can add them manually, but those manually added numbers won't be picked up by any automated machinery.
And it is an absolute pain to do that work with a magnifier and a technical pen - I used to do that when I had a business that did wedding photography and would send negatives from multiple customer files to my lab.
With transparencies, I know of no practical way to manually add frame numbers.

Radost · Jun 3, 2023

MCB18 said:
Yeah, literally the same stuff, just with Cine perfs and in a much longer roll. Also about 5x as cheap as the pre-packaged film.

My calculation is 1.12% cheaper with cinestill price.
$7.50 a roll
Other vision comes to 4.20.
A lot better.
I am afraid the chemicals are not as cheap as flexicolor.

MCB18 · Jun 3, 2023

MattKing said:
The motion picture film cores are bigger, so if you use them, you can't put 100 feet of film into most 100 foot bulk loaders - it won't fit

I mean, I know they fit, I have 100 ft of 50D in my bulkloader right now. Maybe my Watson loader is just abnormally large? Anyway, I don’t actually use it for bulk loading anymore, it’s just a convenient place to store the film.

MattKing · Jun 3, 2023

MCB18 said:
Maybe my Watson loader is just abnormally large?

No - but it will likely have a larger cavity than something like the LLoyds style loader.
I don't know whether the slightly different initial path of the film would matter with the Watson.

Radost · Jun 3, 2023

MCB18 said:
I mean, I know they fit, I have 100 ft of 50D in my bulkloader right now. Maybe my Watson loader is just abnormally large? Anyway, I don’t actually use it for bulk loading anymore, it’s just a convenient place to store the film.

Vision 3 negatives fit just fine.
In both Watson and AP loaders.
Side note - a company makes AP modified loaders for 400’ and 1000’ feet film.
My next purchase will be a 400’ loader.
Or I will try the 3d printed 400’ to 100’ spoiler.

kyuseok · Jun 3, 2023

I only have used 250D out of entire VISION3 family, and I have to say this is a fabulous film stock with great latitude. I think they have their own mojo compared to readily available commercial film stock, yet sometimes I think this has the colour palette of Ektar, presented in low contrast.

The photos were taken with my trustworthy Nikon F80S with 24-120mm f/4G and 50mm f/1.8G. Exposed at EI 200 and developed with the first incarnation of Jobo CPE and Cinestill Cs2 kit. Scanned with my Pakon F135 scanner, which is in fact an occasional pain in the arse...

I also have results of bleach bypassing 250D, but I have to look into my hard drive much deeper. I'll post the pics as soon as I unearth them...

Alan Edward Klein · Jun 3, 2023

The Vision 3 examples shown here remind me of the neutral Portra. Is that because of the way it's processed or edited?

MCB18 · Jun 3, 2023

Alan Edward Klein said:
The Vision 3 examples shown here remind me of the neutral Portra. Is that because of the way it's processed or edited?

This makes sense, as Portra is based off Vision3 stocks (400 off 250D, 800 off 800T, 160 off the older Vision2 100T).

kyuseok · Jun 3, 2023

Alan Edward Klein said:
The Vision 3 examples shown here remind me of the neutral Portra. Is that because of the way it's processed or edited?

Images came straight out from my Pakon scanner! Maybe it's the Kodak algorithm who did all the tricks... Certainly different from Noritsu or other scanners.

koraks · Jun 3, 2023

MCB18 said:
as Portra is based off Vision3 stocks

No, that's not a very accurate assessment. While Vision3 and Portra films share a technology base, one really isn't based on the other. They're totally different dye sets for starters. The similarities are a bit like Ektachrome and Portray - there are some, but they're really very different animals.

MattKing · Jun 3, 2023

koraks said:
No, that's not a very accurate assessment. While Vision3 and Portra films share a technology base, one really isn't based on the other. They're totally different dye sets for starters. The similarities are a bit like Ektachrome and Portray - there are some, but they're really very different animals.

+1

Radost · Jun 3, 2023

Vision gives more realistic colors. Especially the tungsten at night.

blee1996 · Jul 6, 2023

Kodak Vision 3 500T, near sunset in Reno Nevada. No filter used, some post processing in Lightroom (white balance, curves). Camera was Lomo LC-A.

A walk down the Truckee river - LomoLC-A_Vision500T2_014 by Zheng, on Flickr

Summer fun at the island - LomoLC-A_Vision500T2_012 by Zheng, on Flickr

Golden sunset at the butterfly - LomoLC-A_Vision500T2_011 by Zheng, on Flickr

Patrick Robert James · Jul 6, 2023

Made this with a lowly Canon Rebel 2000 with a 28mm lens. XX in Rodinal.

Patrick Robert James · Jul 6, 2023

I keep thinking of buying a 400' roll and just shooting color for a while. I'm impressed by the colors you guys get with the cine films. Only question is, 50D or 500T?

Cholentpot · Jul 6, 2023

Patrick Robert James said:
I keep thinking of buying a 400' roll and just shooting color for a while. I'm impressed by the colors you guys get with the cine films. Only question is, 50D or 500T?

50D if it's color you're after. It's amazing stuff.

blee1996 · Jul 7, 2023

I am partial to 500T because it's versatile: indoor and outdoors, day and night. Even without 85B filter, it is easy to color correct and grade in post.

Alan Edward Klein · Jul 7, 2023

When shooting an essay of a number of photos with Cinestill, is it difficult to keep the final colors consistent for all photos so it looks like a set?

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