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I've been using loads of film designed for Motion Picture (MP) such as the Vision3 line from Kodak, Eastman Double X, the now discontinued Fuji Eterna line, Orwo films, 16mm cine stock and others. I'm curious who else uses this stuff, their results how it's exposed and processed, dealing with the remjet, breaking down large rolls ect and etc.

I am also very curious as to see other peoples actual results as opposed to just writing about it. So, I'll start by posting a scan of some film I shot over the summer.

Nikon F3, Nikkor 24 2.8mm, Eastman Kodak Vision3 250D (5207) exposed at ISO 250. Developed in a powder blix press kit. Remjet removed with a prebath of baking soda and water rinse. DSLR scanned and inverted in Lightroom with Negative Lab Pro

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Of all the stocks I've shot I think that 250D is the most versatile so far. It loves light, the more light the better.

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Nikon F, 105 2.8, V3 50D.

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In the first one, the colors look good except the sky looks purple. In the second one, the colors don't really pop like in the first image even though the sun is out. In the third image, the whites of the flower petals seem pretty good, but I can't really say anything about the other colors. I think to reach a conclusion about a film, it helps to compare the same image on a couple of different films. A film's strengths and weaknesses tend to show up better. Also, when scanned, you add in a host other variables.
 

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I've always shot B&W film. But those images are what I would want to make if I did shoot it. The color is amazing. Less is more, the shades and tones are very eye catching.

I think that pop in the first photos is due to the tractors themselves, they look like they were newly painted and waxed. And clean! Who ever sees a clean tractor?
 
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In the first one, the colors look good except the sky looks purple. In the second one, the colors don't really pop like in the first image even though the sun is out. In the third image, the whites of the flower petals seem pretty good, but I can't really say anything about the other colors. I think to reach a conclusion about a film, it helps to compare the same image on a couple of different films. A film's strengths and weaknesses tend to show up better. Also, when scanned, you add in a host other variables.

I blame the lens on the tractor photo. As for everything else, I'm not overly fussy about getting my colors perfect. I'm using short-ends that were stored who knows how and clearing the remjet with baking soda and then putting through a kit that's past it's manufacture recommended use.

And I'm still happy with the colors.

Nikon F, 55 3.5 macro, 50D
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Developed in a powder blix press kit.

I believe I know the answer to this, but it would assist if you would clarify that this was a C41 kit. Or if it was an ECN2 kit, confirm that.
If by chance someone is printing optically to RA4 and then scanning the print, please confirm that instead.
Thanks for starting an interesting thread.
 

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why back in the distant past, their were some labs that sold 35mm Still loads of the then current MP films and would process them and give a print on MP print stock. Depending on when printed, some of the resulting slides have held up well and others have faded. the deal was kinda the old free film captured sales ploy, - each roll processed came back with another roll of similar film.

I also tried some home brew chemicals, and removing the rem-jet with a photo sponge.

These days I have only been using the B&W stocks. filmotec N74 and 5222. N74 was repleced with N75 and I find the N75 seems to not have anywhere near the speed as N74.

all the MP stocks do have lower contrast than simalar still stocks, although that may not be an issue these days when negatives tend to be scanned rather than directly Printed. My old negatives from the era metioned above even the 5254 and 5257 tha were the mainstay at the time, do seem to have held up.
 
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I believe I know the answer to this, but it would assist if you would clarify that this was a C41 kit. Or if it was an ECN2 kit, confirm that.
If by chance someone is printing optically to RA4 and then scanning the print, please confirm that instead.
Thanks for starting an interesting thread.

Yeppers.

C-41 kit. I forgot that ECN-II kits have hit the mainstream. They were not a thing a few years ago. I nailed down my C-41 process and don't see a reason to switch to ECN-II as of now.

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why back in the distant past, their were some labs that sold 35mm Still loads of the then current MP films and would process them and give a print on MP print stock. Depending on when printed, some of the resulting slides have held up well and others have faded. the deal was kinda the old free film captured sales ploy, - each roll processed came back with another roll of similar film.

I also tried some home brew chemicals, and removing the rem-jet with a photo sponge.

These days I have only been using the B&W stocks. filmotec N74 and 5222. N74 was repleced with N75 and I find the N75 seems to not have anywhere near the speed as N74.

all the MP stocks do have lower contrast than simalar still stocks, although that may not be an issue these days when negatives tend to be scanned rather than directly Printed. My old negatives from the era metioned above even the 5254 and 5257 tha were the mainstay at the time, do seem to have held up.

I have a loads of N-74. Orwo branded though. I assume it's the same stuff? I've not nailed the speed on my batch yet. Or maybe the dev times. Seems the ones listed on Dev Chart at a little short for my batch.
 

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I have a loads of N-74. Orwo branded though. I assume it's the same stuff? I've not nailed the speed on my batch yet. Or maybe the dev times. Seems the ones listed on Dev Chart at a little short for my batch.
yes, filmotec.de, sold as ORWO. I figure I am close at 6 minutes in HC-110 B.
 
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yes, filmotec.de, sold as ORWO. I figure I am close at 6 minutes in HC-110 B.

Nearly 10 for me. At 7 min the rebate is still unclear. I might just have a fogged batch. I shot a few rolls at 200, 400 and 800. I've yet to develop but the 200 and 400 are going in at 10min and the 800 is getting pushed a stop. What I've shot @ 200 and 400 and developed at 6-7min has been thin.
 

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Nearly 10 for me. At 7 min the rebate is still unclear. I might just have a fogged batch. I shot a few rolls at 200, 400 and 800. I've yet to develop but the 200 and 400 are going in at 10min and the 800 is getting pushed a stop. What I've shot @ 200 and 400 and developed at 6-7min has been thin.
that is my impression of the new N75. (which also came without the Keycode numbers and so only has printing about every foot.) I will not be re-ordering that if it is going to be the standrd from now on.
 
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that is my impression of the new N75. (which also came without the Keycode numbers and so only has printing about every foot.) I will not be re-ordering that if it is going to be the standrd from now on.

I'll know after I develop the batch I've exposed. I have about 200 feet more of the stuff so I might as well dial it in.

Nikon F, Micro Nikkor 55 3.5, V3.50D

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Fuji Eterna 500T:


Kodak Vision3 50D:


Kodak Vision3 250D:


Kodak Vision3 500T:


(all ECN-2 processed)
 
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Fuji Eterna 500T:


Kodak Vision3 50D:


Kodak Vision3 250D:


Kodak Vision3 500T:


(all ECN-2 processed)

Nice and clean. I have trouble with the yellows in general. That Eterna looks really nice.
 

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I've used Double-X, liked it enough I bought a 100 foot roll of 5222 (still working on getting or building a 400 foot bulk loader). I've also shot ORWO DN21, a low speed cine print film (ISO 12 or so), same as Lomography Cine Berlin, and bought 100 feet of that direct from the US importer of ORWO products. I use faster films more than slower, though, so the Double-X will surely be used up before the DN21.
 
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I've used Double-X, liked it enough I bought a 100 foot roll of 5222 (still working on getting or building a 400 foot bulk loader). I've also shot ORWO DN21, a low speed cine print film (ISO 12 or so), same as Lomography Cine Berlin, and bought 100 feet of that direct from the US importer of ORWO products. I use faster films more than slower, though, so the Double-X will surely be used up before the DN21.

I have a bulk loader in my fridge with some Double X. I really like the stuff. I've found that cine film and half-frame cameras work together really well for some reason. It also works well with older cameras. Uncoated lenses seem to go well with the stock.

Vito II, Double X

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The shot I linked was at EI 400 in Df96 monobath. I have no doubt you could do 1000 in a developer like diluted Xtol. Given it's the fastest B&W available to the movie industry, I'm sure they put it a lot there, too.
 

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I've used various kits, "home mixed" (not by me, but from some Russian guy on eBay), Bellini or Cinestill. I can't say any of them works better or worse.
 

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@Cholentpot

I like all your shots just fine. You have already seen my progress. I'm still working on scans but am generally happy with results.

I like the 50D shots, I might have to pic up a 400ft roll of that too. I only had that first couple of rolls I bought to play with.
 
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@Cholentpot

I like all your shots just fine. You have already seen my progress. I'm still working on scans but am generally happy with results.

I like the 50D shots, I might have to pic up a 400ft roll of that too. I only had that first couple of rolls I bought to play with.

Post some up over here Joel_l. You're stuff looks great unless it gets melted by driveway cleaner or something.
 

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When I get some shots that aren't just experiments around my house, I certainly will. I using the Vision 3 and Ektachrome 100D movie films
 
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