Has anyone seen the new remjet-free film by small respoolers in the US yet? It would be tempting to try some.
Kodak planning to replace remjet on vision 3 films
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Not in the US, but a shop in Belgium has some 250D & 500T in 35mm 36 exposure rolls for €10.99
oldcam.ccvshop.nl
oldcam.ccvshop.nl
Filmriss Cosmo 250D 135/36exp C41! (no remjet but ahu)
This film doesn't have a Remjet coating, but the new Kodak AHU coating, and can therefore be developed in the standard C-41 chemistry
Filmriss Cosmo 500T 135/36exp C41! (no remjet maar ahu)
This film doesn't have a Remjet coating, but the new Kodak AHU coating, and can therefore be developed in the standard C-41 chemistry
Don't know if it is news, AHU is officially launched
Sounds like it's a cost savings for labs, once it's a done deal. I'm sure it's going to take some getting used to. Getting rid of all the carbon black will be a win for the environment.
Don't know if it is news, AHU is officially launched
"addition of an anti-halation protective undercoat layer (“AHU”) on the emulsion side of the film, which washes away during processing"
Is this a silver AHU layer or a dye-based layer?
Kodak Enhances Vision3
Kodak's redesign of its Vision3 film stock removes the disposable, carbon-based remjet backing and replaces it with an advanced anti-halation technology.
theasc.com
Does this mean that bleach bypass processing wouldn't be possible with the new films?
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That's a good point. I guess it'll be possible, but you'll end up with an extra layer of density. May not be a problem if you scan the film if the density is somewhat limited.
Or maybe in movie production, bleach bypass is applied on the print rather than the negative in which case no adjustments in processing are required.
In movie production I think bleach bypass is (was) generally done on the original recording film. But I doubt many productions use it anymore. In principle, bleach bypass could be done on the print film, but I doubt this was done.
"Skip-bleach techniques can be applied to the processing of the camera original negative, the intermediate positive (IP), duplicate negative (DN) or final print, or any combination of these stages."
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Not in the US, but a shop in Belgium has some 250D & 500T in 35mm 36 exposure rolls for €10.99
Filmriss Cosmo 250D 135/36exp C41! (no remjet but ahu)
This film doesn't have a Remjet coating, but the new Kodak AHU coating, and can therefore be developed in the standard C-41 chemistry
Filmriss Cosmo 500T 135/36exp C41! (no remjet maar ahu)
This film doesn't have a Remjet coating, but the new Kodak AHU coating, and can therefore be developed in the standard C-41 chemistry
Filmriss is a new german shop (they opened one month ago) selling the new Kodak Vision 3 and also Foma films in 35 mm for very, very, low prices. Curiously, oldcam is selling the film with a 57% uplift compared to buying directly to Filmriss. For now I stay away until I see some feedback from people I know that have bought it (and yet not received anything after three weeks).
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It should be noted that the prices listed on that page are for 24 exposure rolls, 36 exposure rolls of 250D go for €6,99.
Still €4 less than what Oldcam lists, so still a considerable extra cost, but not as big of a price hike as it might seem.
I just bought 15 rolls of Cosmo 250D/24 film from this store. The price was EUR 4.99 per roll. Shipping to Poland was surprisingly low - EUR 5.99 for the entire order (Standard International Shipping). I paid total EUR 80.84 including shipping. For me, this is a very reasonable price, as that's roughly how much a roll of Foma 100 black-and-white film costs in Poland. I'm curious because the tax (VAT?) on the invoice is 0.00 (!!!). I don't know where in the world this store is located, as I thought VAT was mandatory everywhere in the EU.
On their website they say shipping will begin on August 25th. We'll see if this is a legitimate store or a scam. I'll let you know as soon as I receive the package (or not).
I'll try this film as soon as it arrives and I'll share the results here as well.
On their website they say shipping will begin on August 25th. We'll see if this is a legitimate store or a scam. I'll let you know as soon as I receive the package (or not).
I'll try this film as soon as it arrives and I'll share the results here as well.
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Their 'legal notice' page suggests an address in Germany and indicates also two apparently German proprietors. Any shop can sell without VAT if the customer requires it; in this case the customer is required to pay VAT directly to their local authorities. This sometimes happens for esp. international transactions. However, AFAIK within the EU the customer needs to have a standing agreement with their local tax authority to be allowed to use this method. It's very unusual and likely illegal for a EU-based shop to sell without VAT to private individuals within the EU and indeed to list an ex-VAT price by default. If these guys are indeed in Germany, I expect they'll be in trouble with the German tax authority in due course. Honestly, this sounds like a couple of guys who just don't know what they're doing.
There are business entities that can be exempt from the VAT system (they pay VAT on their supply side (like we all, final customers, do), but don’t charge VAT to their customers and therefore don’t need to pay VAT to authorities since they never collected any VAT).
Such arrangements are normally reserved for very small one-person operations with a fairly low yearly limit of invoiced goods/services (like 50k EUR or thereabouts).
So, this could very well be a perfectly legal operation, but it might be short lived or this is their setup for the timebeing and they will transition to a more normal/formal business before they reach their legal limit and they will just start showing the amount of VAT charged then.
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Yes, that's the situation in Poland. Here, you can run a business and don't have to register for VAT if your annual turnover doesn't exceed approximately €50,000. You're not registered for VAT, but you do have to pay VAT when purchasing goods, but then you can't deduct the VAT from your expenses. However, if you're running a business that trades goods, you must at least specify in your price list that your prices include VAT.
This year, restrictions have been introduced. If your company sells, for example, computers, cameras, or optics, you must register for VAT regardless of your annual turnover.
This doesn't apply to analog film sales. I think it works like this throughout the EU. But as @koraks wrote, I suspect these guys will have trouble if they do not include information about the price including VAT in their price lists.
In the case of this purchase, I think I might be concerned that the courier might want to collect VAT from me upon delivery. But this is the EU, and there probably isn't any customs control on postal shipments between EU member states, so my concerns may be unfounded.
This year, restrictions have been introduced. If your company sells, for example, computers, cameras, or optics, you must register for VAT regardless of your annual turnover.
This doesn't apply to analog film sales. I think it works like this throughout the EU. But as @koraks wrote, I suspect these guys will have trouble if they do not include information about the price including VAT in their price lists.
In the case of this purchase, I think I might be concerned that the courier might want to collect VAT from me upon delivery. But this is the EU, and there probably isn't any customs control on postal shipments between EU member states, so my concerns may be unfounded.
Actually, it’s the other way around. You need to clearly specify that your price does NOT include VAT (mandatory citation of the applicable section of the EU directive that handles your situation of small business outside the VAT system or local law that implements the directive).
Yeah, you're right, but the limit is pretty low. Around here it's EUR 20k. It's indeed possible they'll transition towards a regular VAT-paying operation.
250D is a nice film. Have fun and if you do bleach bypass with the new film, I would be interested in knowing your experiences.
I think this is the case too, not a scam, but it doesn't confort me either. A couple of people I know already cancelled their orders after not being notified about the delay in shipment. The delay until the 25th of August caused by more orders than expected (according to Filmriss) was communicated around a week ago by email to some customers but not to others. You need much more than good intentions to run a business. Let's see how they finally deliver... (and I hope they do it well)
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You're right. I've mixed things up a bit here, but the basic principle is to mention VAT or VAT exemption based on a specific tax provision.
Thank you. I've used the 250D before, but with the remjet version. I've never used bleach bypass because I didn't need it. As for developing methods, I usually develop C-41 films using the C-41 process (Fuji lab chemicals), while for Kodak Vision films, I use the ECN2 process. The only exception to this rule is always using a potassium ferricyanide-based bleach (also for C-41) and always use a clearing-stop bath (2% acetic acid + sodium acetate + sodium sulfite). After the ferri bleach bath, I also rinse the film in a water bath with 10g of sodium sulfite.
I also hope these guys won't disappoint and deliver the film before winter arrives ;-) They have an Instagram profile and often post updates there, including those related to film shipments. https://www.instagram.com/filmriss.shop
I thought the annual revenue limit for VAT exemption was the same across the EU. EUR 20,000 is a really low amount and easy to exceed.
I got my V3 with AHU from 35mmdealer.de. Price was basically twice as much as the Cosmo price that was mentioned by @Spektrum, but shipping was fast and not expensive.
I’m only interested in 5219 (500T) and 12,99 EUR is still a good price for a fresh V3 that doesn’t need remjet removal. I hope some small dealers can keep this films in stock and still stay bellow Alaris’ radar…
I’m only interested in 5219 (500T) and 12,99 EUR is still a good price for a fresh V3 that doesn’t need remjet removal. I hope some small dealers can keep this films in stock and still stay bellow Alaris’ radar…
Nice; they also sell 30m rolls. They list AHU/remjet-free V3-250D 30m for €159. That's a lot of color film for a modest price.
I don’t think they had 30m AHU rolls available when I placed my order. 159 EUR per 30m roll makes it less than 9 EUR per 36exp. roll which is cheaper than any other colour film. Not bad.
As far as I know, in order to receive such an invoice, you must be registered for VAT. Rarely do individuals have such a registration, usually these are legal entities with VAT registration. At the same time, some traders may not be VAT registered and therefore their invoices may not include VAT as a small business incentive. But they cannot trade outside their own country.
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