I am sorry, your post sounds misleading to me. Indeed, B&H lists both developers as discontinued, but beside there are "new products" with the same name and appearance. So, we may be looking at a "child proof" repackaging or perhaps putting additional warning signs on the outside. After all., some people have allergy to metol and borate is not a desirable chemical, though not outright a forbidden one.Ilford is now telling me mid June for stock. Today B&H listed ID-11 (as we know it anyway) as discontinued. So not sure if Ilford is repackaging all their powder chemistry. Microphen is listed discontinued as well. So hopefully it shows up in June or I may have to start mixing my own.
Ilford is now telling me mid June for stock. Today B&H listed ID-11 (as we know it anyway) as discontinued. So not sure if Ilford is repackaging all their powder chemistry. Microphen is listed discontinued as well. So hopefully it shows up in June or I may have to start mixing my own.
I am sorry, your post sounds misleading to me. Indeed, B&H lists both developers as discontinued, but beside there are "new products" with the same name and appearance. So, we may be looking at a "child proof" repackaging or perhaps putting additional warning signs on the outside. After all., some people have allergy to metol and borate is not a desirable chemical, though not outright a forbidden one.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing and fingers crossed!"Which team are you - ID11 or DD-X?" and I answered "ID11 when it's available". They responded "very soon"
I hope ID11 is back soon. It's return is already way overdue.I was in touch with Ilford last week. They said for the US to see product within 10 days. That was this past Tuesday. We’ll see if that holds true.
I just checked the 4 or 5 usual stores where I buy supplies and ID-11 is out of stock everywhere. Finally found a shop in Lille, put in an order only to get a phone call later telling me that it's out of stock and they don't expect new supplies for another month. No clue as to why this is happening...So, what other developers compare? I really like the fine grain and contrast I get with it.
Thanks!
I was in touch with Ilford last week. They said for the US to see product within 10 days. That was this past Tuesday. We’ll see if that holds true. They’ve told me a few other times and that didn’t come true. I just mixed up a batch of formulary TD-16 to try. Supposed to be a more stable D-76.
In the past few months I’ve mixed my own D-76, worked great until PH rose after a few weeks then negs were super dense. Threw that out and bought a new pack of D-76 from B&H. Mixed it up with distilled water and got thin negatives, mainly less shadow detail. Tried increasing my times just a bit, didn’t do much. Current D-76 seems lifeless compared to the results I got with ID-11 before it went away.
So needless to say I’m excited about its return and hope it performs the same way. In the meantime I’ll try out this TD-16 and report back how it compares to ID-11 and D-76.
Mixed my own D76 for many years, but always used the batch within a week. When shooting fewer rolls (per day/week), I used to mix D76H, which is more stable (does not have the hydroquinone hence the pH creep) and always gave me results that were indistinguishable from the regular D-76. The formulas for D76H and other variants are available on the Massive Development Chart web site and other sources. You might give it a try if you are still unable to obtain ID11.
I just had a look at the TD-16 sheet. What nonsense.
also read about a D-76d which adds boric acid to the original formula
If mixing from raw chemicals, make up smaller stock solutions as required.This was my experience too. Mixed up fresh works great for a week or so then goes super active.
I’ve seen that formula of D-76H, also read about a D-76d which adds boric acid to the original formula and supposed to do the same thing, stop the PH creep. I may move forward with these formulas if ID-11 stays unavailable or comes back not the same as before.
The level of ignorance about D-76 is quite staggering - especially the populist nonsense about supposed instability etc from people who aren't trying to run it in a replenished system with process controls - people seem to be either using it too fresh, or mixing up far too much for the amount of film they're running within a sensible period - or storing it inappropriately.
I also suspect the Haist variant was arrived at via a leading question from whoever the interlocutor was, rather than the recipient caring to understand the mechanisms that underpin the developing component relationships in D-76.
Lots of buffer variants exist from all the major manufacturers. Then Ilford got PQ to work, which essentially solved the problems with using MQ in replenished systems & that became the main research focus for buffering etc. D-76 is well behaved if properly mixed, allowed to reach equilibrium, and used up in a timely fashion. It was a preferred choice for optimal quality for a very long time for very good reasons (under double blind tests, viewers consistently preferred the grain/ sharpness balance - and it gave excellent speed relative to granularity) - an enormous amount of research effort was expended on trying to better it (and fix its more troublesome quirks) for over 50 years.
Nah, I don't buy sliced bread and prefer to keep fresh baguettes for my dinner
Thanks for the suggestions.
I'll look into those alternatives (and try to avoid paying for shipping or mixing from scratch - too complicated, also too lazy!)
Mid-July and no ID-11 yet. Based on Mirko's comments about updated regulations, I'll be curious to see whether the new version still comes in two bags or has now been combined into one.
This was my experience too. Mixed up fresh works great for a week or so then goes super active.
I’ve seen that formula of D-76H, also read about a D-76d which adds boric acid to the original formula and supposed to do the same thing, stop the PH creep. I may move forward with these formulas if ID-11 stays unavailable or comes back not the same as before.
| Chemical | D-76 | D-76 (Australia Ltd) | D-76d |
| Metol | 2g | 2g | 2g |
| Sodium Sulphite (anhyd) | 100g | 100g | 100g |
| Hydroquinone | 5g | 5g | 5g |
| Borax | 2g | 4g | 8g |
| Boric Acid | 0 | 2g | 8g |
| Water to | 1 litre | 1 litre | 1 litre |
can't help with lazy but complicated it ain't.
The level of ignorance about D-76 is quite staggering - especially the populist nonsense about supposed instability etc from people who aren't trying to run it in a replenished system with process controls - people seem to be either using it too fresh, or mixing up far too much for the amount of film they're running within a sensible period - or storing it inappropriately.
can't help with lazy but complicated it ain't.
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