Not sure if I agree with you. I don't believe they have to sell to professionals to stay in the market, infact we enthusiasts are much more in number then a bunch of pros that still use film. In the cinema industry though it is the other way round, but as I said before major Hollywood productions will never buy Ferrania film.No one has their knickers in a twist, and everyone admires the folk at Ferrania for producing film against all odds. The point, which you keep missing, is that, to avoid a worse case scenario, they have to sell the product....and in quantities many times more than a few of we cranky enthusiasts buying half-a-dozen rolls to try out ( maybe, before we go back to our trusted Kodak and Ilford, etc., which we can order online and have delivered tomorrow). They have to convince serious professional still and movie makers that they are a reliable business with a top-quality product. If I'm an indie film-maker, I'll probably rely on digital anyway (costs and convenience), but, if I believe that film will give me a better result, I've got to convince my own backers and accountants....then, having done that, do I tell them, I'm not going to use the regular Kodak film, which the camera guys and labs understand and trust, I'm going to use some stuff from Italy which a few guys make using salvaged equipment make in an old factory which 3m abandoned years ago (sorry, Ferrania, that's not directed at you, it's at the posters here who don't read properly, then jump to conclusions). It's a massive task yet.
Not sure if I agree with you. I don't believe they have to sell to professionals to stay in the market, infact we enthusiasts are much more in number then a bunch of pros that still use film. In the cinema industry though it is the other way round, but as I said before major Hollywood productions will never buy Ferrania film.
Thank you, Railwayman3. No repetition would have been necessary had people like klownshed not persistently missed the point. That is exasperating.No one has their knickers in a twist, and everyone admires the folk at Ferrania for producing film against all odds. The point, which you keep missing, is that, to avoid a worse case scenario, they have to sell the product....and in quantities many times more than a few of we cranky enthusiasts buying half-a-dozen rolls to try out ( maybe, before we go back to our trusted Kodak and Ilford, etc., which we can order online and have delivered tomorrow). They have to convince serious professional still and movie makers that they are a reliable business with a top-quality product. If I'm an indie film-maker, I'll probably rely on digital anyway (costs and convenience), but, if I believe that film will give me a better result, I've got to convince my own backers and accountants....then, having done that, do I tell them, I'm not going to use the regular Kodak film, which the camera guys and labs understand and trust, I'm going to use some stuff from Italy which a few guys make using salvaged equipment make in an old factory which 3m abandoned years ago (sorry, Ferrania, that's not directed at you, it's at the posters here who don't read properly, then jump to conclusions). It's a massive task yet.
You need to come and see me in London.I know only one other person who actually still used film
Precisely. It's striking how it's mainly people who are or have been involved in industries like film and video production, software, advertising etc. who are acutely aware of this. But the same holds true for the business world at large. A retailer considering whether they are going to stock the product of a small upstart company (which Film Ferrania is from their perspective) in a field that is not exactly profitable right now, will need to be convinced that that company is reliable in every way, not only regarding their quality control, but also their ability to deliver as promised, to communicate efficiently and to stand by their product by providing strong back-up. They can't be expected to be as tolerant and patient as we are. A "sh*t happens" attitude won't cut it.They have to convince serious professional still and movie makers that they are a reliable business with a top-quality product.
Just out of interest, has anyone received a voucher code yet? It's definitely afternoon in the UK (and Italy) now...
What point have I missed? Railwayman3 makes many.No repetition would have been necessary had people like klownshed not persistently missed the point
That is exasperating
The complaints about Ferrania's professionalism or lack of thereof is tedious however. It's up to them to decide who they need to target their sales to. Not yours. And if they do target the professionals, good luck. With both of them. ;-)
Precisely. It's striking how it's mainly people who are or have been involved in industries like film and video production, software, advertising etc. who are acutely aware of this. But the same holds true for the business world at large. A retailer considering whether they are going to stock the product of a small upstart company (which Film Ferrania is from their perspective) in a field that is not exactly profitable right now, will need to be convinced that that company is reliable in every way, not only regarding their quality control, but also their ability to deliver as promised, to communicate efficiently and to stand by their product by providing strong back-up. They can't be expected to be as tolerant and patient as we are. A "sh*t happens" attitude won't cut it.
Again, you are absolutely right. Once Film Ferrania operates in the "public domain", nobody who wants to criticize them, will ask themselves whether they are "entitled" to do so. Not only retailers and consumers, but the public at large are quick to form and spread opinions (both positive and negative) about companies -- and we all know how rapidly such perceptions spread in the digital age.maybe these backers might be allowed to have some input or at least make some comment onto what Ferrania decide ?
No, infact they are almost 1 year behind schedule (?). Let's give them another time and maybe in 10 years they will produce the chromes...
You need to come and see me in London.
I'll introduce you to some people who mainly use film, young people and not so young.
Same here, nothing happens when I hit the red Pre-order button to add film to the cartUnable to add to cart using USA shop.
Same here. Actually it appears there are more people getting into film these last 18 months. Two years ago i was going to be a professor of a film photography course in the most well known photography school here. At the end this didn't happen because of lack of enough people to start the course.
However this year it appears the course is reopening again, and this time it is attracting some interest. (I'm not involved with it anymore, however.)
I supported the Kickstarter campaign.....and I still am not outraged or angry at the delays. Most of them were beyond Ferrania's control. And I don't see my donation as an investment...because it isn't an investment. With Kickstarter there is never any promise or even hint of getting a return on an investment....it's a donation.
And that donation was made knowing that they might not get off the ground...that I might be giving my money to something that never achieves it's goals...or which achieves them much slower than hoped.
Anyone going into this with open eyes surely saw that?
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