Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[flavio81]

Fuji makes good stuff

As a former Fuji faithful, Fuji fanboy, Fuji fanatic, let me tell you that Fuji is the EVIL in the film business, and the less we depend on Fuji, the better.

They have abandoned us film shooters, and every year they raise the prices. Also, you can never have a clear idea of which thing is really discontinued and which thing is not. Not to mention the fact that they have products that for some strange reason are only sold in Japan; they don't bother to market them outside.

There hasn't been any kind of Fuji representative in this forum to say "hi", to give customer support. Fuji doesn't care about us film shooters in any way.

 

[miha]

I thought this was a Ferrania thread?

 

[mshchem]

As a former Fuji faithful, Fuji fanboy, Fuji fanatic, let me tell you that Fuji is the EVIL in the film business, and the less we depend on Fuji, the better.

They have abandoned us film shooters, and every year they raise the prices. Also, you can never have a clear idea of which thing is really discontinued and which thing is not. Not to mention the fact that they have products that for some strange reason are only sold in Japan; they don't bother to market them outside.

There hasn't been any kind of Fuji representative in this forum to say "hi", to give customer support. Fuji doesn't care about us film shooters in any way.

No argument about Fuji and discontinuing products that they don't make money on, but THEY MAKE FILM, all this other stuff is old weird stuff that is being spooled. I don't know if this is robbing business from the companies that ACTUALLY MAKE FILM, maybe, maybe not.
Fuji is so busy making instant film, YES REAL, NOT CRAPPY instant film. It would be easy to pull the plug on slide film. I don't want Fuji to go away. If there was demand they would make 4x5 roll film.
I hope that Ferrania can pull off a miracle. I hope they can make all kinds of products that will keep that wonderful place going. Right now THEY ARE MAKING FILM, huge thing.
My point is to support companies that are actually coating film. If you want to support Ferrania, buy P30 or whatever they produce. Same thing with every company out there
Best Mike

 

[pbromaghin]

I thought this was a Ferrania thread?

+1

 

[1L6E6VHF]

Why do people buy this Vario crap? Fuji makes good stuff, give them the business. I don't get it.

I hear you, though I'm frustrated with Fujifilm's price increases and their (no pun intended) lack of transparency when it comes to discontinuation of films.

I have never been happy with any slide film having an ISO speed rating over 100. Fujifilm's 400X did deliver good color and a degree of sharpness, while Ektachrome E200 also had good color and sharpness, but both were still far grainier than ISO 100 slide films (and when one is looking at a 60x60" or 1.5m square image from a few feet, fine grain matters).

 

[Oxleyroad]

My processing of P30 as a reversal will need to wait a fortnight as I have guests visiting this summer and I procrastinated last Sunday to the point I did not get to develop the film and now I can't get as much time in the darkroom as I would like. Currently developing a roll as a negative using Fomadon R09. Will give an update in an hour or so.

 

[RattyMouse]

Anyone have recommended times for developing P30 in Kodak HC-110? Preferably dilution E. thanks.

 

[jimjm]

Anyone have recommended times for developing P30 in Kodak HC-110? Preferably dilution E. thanks.

Ferrania posted a revised v1.4 "Best Practices" on the P30 website, which has HC-110 listed along with some other additions.

1:63 (likely from concentrate) which would be dil:H, for 12 mins at EI 80. You should be able to extrapolate a reasonable time for dil:E, which is 1:47. I usually use B or H.

 

[pbromaghin]

Anyone have recommended times for developing P30 in Kodak HC-110? Preferably dilution E. thanks.

Oops. Didn't see JimJim beat me to it:
From the P30 pdf:

Kodak HC-110 1+63 20ºC/68ºF - 12 minutes - Small tank, continuous inversions first minute, 10 second inversion each minute; Jobo, rotation.

You can find it at Dead Link Removed

 

[Brady Eklund]

I just developed mine, HC-110 B for a little over 5 minutes with vigorous agitation for the first minute, 5 seconds every 30, and 30 seconds continuous at the end. They're in the dryer now. The exposures looked fine, but I'll wait to judge until I've scanned them. I wish I hadn't been so rushed when I shot these, but I did get a few cool images. I also did bracketed long exposures of a cityscape at night to test the reciprocity characteristics a bit which I'll post over on the P30 thread.

 

[RattyMouse]

I just developed mine, HC-110 B for a little over 5 minutes with vigorous agitation for the first minute, 5 seconds every 30, and 30 seconds continuous at the end. They're in the dryer now. The exposures looked fine, but I'll wait to judge until I've scanned them. I wish I hadn't been so rushed when I shot these, but I did get a few cool images. I also did bracketed long exposures of a cityscape at night to test the reciprocity characteristics a bit which I'll post over on the P30 thread.

There's a flickr group for P30 film if you are a user of that site. Nice looking images there. All 12 of them.

 

[RattyMouse]

Well I finally got my P30 film. Finally!!

 

[pbromaghin]

Well I finally got my P30 film. Finally!!

I asked Dave and I will be getting mine late this coming week or early next!

 

[Michael Howard]

Hey everyone! I see it's been a bit since someone posted an order # as shipped. Just got my order confirmation today, order #91318. Should be here this weekend for me to shoot a roll or two. I'll be processing with HC110 H, I'm going to split the first roll 80 and 50, I'll try to post in a week or so how they look. I plan on printing them then scanning the prints, get a little better idea of what they look like.

 

[Meyer Trioplan]

My order arrived yesterday!

Plan to run one through a Ricoh KR-30SP, and am splitting another one for respooling into both a 127 Agfa Cadet A-8 and a 126 Kodak Instmatic 704. The rest will be TBD for now.

Thanks Film Ferrania!

 

[Jeff L]

I finally put the first roll through my Yashica TL Super. I developed it in HC110 Dill. H. Negs look good. I'll head to darkroom soon and see how they contact and print. Dried very flat - no curl at all.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Well I finally got my P30 film. Finally!!

Great! Post your results on the P30 Flickr site to bring the number up to 13....

 

[DaveTheWalker]

Great! Post your results on the P30 Flickr site to bring the number up to 13....

Looks like there are several P30 groups on Flickr... This one has 188 images:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/3270489@N22/

 

[Diapositivo]

I don't find perusing Flickr groups very interesting in order to judge the behaviour of a film.

In my always very HO there is very little utility to judge a negative response from a scanned photo on the internet.
Just like the same negative can be printed in different ways and yield different results, a positive, or a negative, can be scanned in many different ways, with very different results.
For instance, some of the pictures in the Flickr group are way too contrasty, but that has nothing to do with P30 itself.

What you see is a collection of 188 images, very different in character from each other, that cannot give you any idea of how the material will perform in your camera and darkroom.

The only things that can be derived are, maybe, graininess at great enlarmgement and, for colour material, colour response of a calibrated palette seen through a calibrated monitor but scanned with a scanner which was only hardware-calibrated (not also film-calibrated).

Some scanning theory is badly needed in this analogue forum

 

[jonasfj]

I don't find perusing Flickr groups very interesting in order to judge the behaviour of a film.

In my always very HO there is very little utility to judge a negative response from a scanned photo on the internet.
Just like the same negative can be printed in different ways and yield different results, a positive, or a negative, can be scanned in many different ways, with very different results.
For instance, some of the pictures in the Flickr group are way too contrasty, but that has nothing to do with P30 itself.

What you see is a collection of 188 images, very different in character from each other, that cannot give you any idea of how the material will perform in your camera and darkroom.

The only things that can be derived are, maybe, graininess at great enlarmgement and, for colour material, colour response of a calibrated palette seen through a calibrated monitor but scanned with a scanner which was only hardware-calibrated (not also film-calibrated).

Some scanning theory is badly needed in this analogue forum

So true! Scanning can be very tricky. The development of the negative also has a huge impact. Since it is possible to tailor the characteristic curve, any black and white film can be made to look quite similar. If you are willing to do the work required to calibrate and understand your system that is.

In a perfect world (where you have enough information to tailor your curve), in my opinion anyways, the contrast of the negative should be chosen to contain as much information of the scene as possible. The scanning should also aim at picking up as much information as possible.

The contrast of the final print or digital image is on the other hand a creative decision that can be determined by for example the hardness of the paper or your post processing in Photoshop or Lightroom.

Graininess is also greatly affected by the choices and skills of the developer as well as the who is scanning.

This is the reason that there always are different opinions on any given statement in forums such as this.

As have been said many times: "Stick to a couple of films and learn their characteristics"

 

[Urmonas]

I received my films today. Order #91286. Hopefully get time this weekend to run the first film.

 

[FILM Ferrania]

I have been up to my ears shipping film the last couple of weeks - a process that I have to do completely by hand because we had to fire our old e-commerce partner (they really messed things up, as some of you are perfectly aware).

Our finishing partner isn't fully up to speed, but they get better each week.

As of today, I expect to ship 95% of all pre-orders by the end of July with the final few in the first week of August. The factory has already coated the miniJumbos to cover the pre-orders plus some - and they await converting...

Then we have to do what we can (since Europe pretty much shuts down in August) to continue making film and getting it finished and shipped to our warehouses to stock-up for the re-opening of the shop - tentatively scheduled for early-to-mid September.

The results I'm seeing so far, which I've been sharing in bulk, have been truly stellar. (Nothing like my days at Impossible where the first film product was, well, impossible to like in any way...)

I invite any of you who process yourselves to contribute to our forum: Dead Link Removed so that we can "dial-in" the very best procedures and chemistry.

You can contribute your results to our online gallery here: Dead Link Removed (look for the big red "Share with Us" button) - or simply share them on Twitter or Instagram with @FILMFerrania or #filmferrania or #p30alpha (or all of the above, just to be sure).

Funny thing, there is a gun with the name P30, and also some sort of drug or dietary supplement or vitamin that I see mostly in Asian languages. I only discovered this after searching #p30 on Instagram...

 

[bvy]

can contribute your results to our online gallery here: Dead Link Removed (look for the big red "Share with Us" button) - or simply share them on Twitter or Instagram with @FILMFerrania or #filmferrania or #p30alpha (or all of the above, just to be sure).

I submitted something (I thought) to a gallery, but I don't see it anywhere. I used the big Share With Us button.

 

[Arctic amateur]

My card was charged on 4th of July, got the notice in the mailbox yesterday, picked them up today.

I noticed there was a sticker on the canister, and when I peeled it off there was a label for a C-41 film printed on the canister, "Centuria HD" with Italian text. Perhaps some surplus stock from when the old factory was running?

I didn't unpeel the other two rolls to see if they had the same brand cartridge.

 

[railwayman3]

Centuria film was a Konica product, made in Japan, but the brand name was eventually taken over by Dai Nippon Printing (hence DNP on the label). Presumably the DNP version could have been an own-label product made by Ferrania ?