Gerbershagen The new Head of Kodak Alaris says he wants input.

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no one is left to process color film, the infrastructure has been removed yet people still want it ?

This is heard repeatedly from USA. Is it really so bad over there? The little, "super-convenient", one-hour processing machines which keep disappearing were low-quality with minimally-trained staff and sold on the basis of convenience. They are gone, so never mind - use centralised, efficient, professionally-monitored labs and wait three days. This works over here (Europe). Just about all towns have supermarkets or department stores which are on a collection-route for one of the big labs. If that doesn't seem convenient, just use the post with their pre-paid mailer arrangements.

Remember also that 'new' film photographers won't miss a slightly-crappy, one-hour service because the three day plan is all they have ever known. It is not an increase in difficulty for them - except compared to digital perhaps, but even then most laser-exposed RA4 enlargements, from amateur enthusiast outlets, still take a few days to arrive back with the digital photographer so there is effectively not much difference.

It is difficult to say how long Kodak-Alaris may be able to source filmstock for marketing to endusers, but I hope that the pensioners funds are enough to keep paying them their pensions. Even a last load of frozen unslit-rolls, made when the cine-film ends (next year?) would keep everyone going for seven years or so, if confectioning systems were available (for example via Harman).
 
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This is heard repeatedly from USA. Is it really so bad over there?

No, Martin, it's really not that bad. Nor are there actual lynch mobs roaming the countryside. I just had several rolls of E-6 120 processed without a whimper. And my wife still uses 35mm C-41 without any problems, because she dislikes the look of digital. (I offered to buy her a digital camera, but she declined for that reason.)

Some here just get carried away with their fears. Constructive worry would be a better option. Or just the Ignore button.

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This is heard repeatedly from USA. Is it really so bad over there? The little, "super-convenient", one-hour processing machines which keep disappearing were low-quality with minimally-trained staff and sold on the basis of convenience. They are gone, so never mind - use centralised, efficient, professionally-monitored labs and wait three days. This works over here (Europe). Just about all towns have supermarkets or department stores which are on a collection-route for one of the big labs. If that doesn't seem convenient, just use the post with their pre-paid mailer arrangements.

Remember also that 'new' film photographers won't miss a slightly-crappy, one-hour service because the three day plan is all they have ever known. It is not an increase in difficulty for them - except compared to digital perhaps, but even then most laser-exposed RA4 enlargements, from amateur enthusiast outlets, still take a few days to arrive back with the digital photographer so there is effectively not much difference.

It is difficult to say how long Kodak-Alaris may be able to source filmstock for marketing to endusers, but I hope that the pensioners funds are enough to keep paying them their pensions. Even a last load of frozen unslit-rolls, made when the cine-film ends (next year?) would keep everyone going for seven years or so, if confectioning systems were available (for example via Harman).



martin

where i am in new england ...
there is only 1 pharmacy that does labwork "send out"
it goes to fuji but these pharmacies aren't at every street corner.
the large abundance of pharmacies ( cvs + walgreens ) don't process film or do send out anymore.
walmart does send out 35mm and 120
but they don't return film just a cd of images
there is 1 lab within 25 miles she does wonderful work, and there is 1 prolab within a 45 minute drive.
there is send out service but the old standards ( york, mystic &c ) are gone.

there are options, but for the general consumer who isn't used to searching high and low to get their film processed it isn't easy,
or as easy as before.

as for lynch mobs ...
ken, maybe you should read the tone of the people who bitch and moan in every kodak thread
about how they screwed everyone over, how perez was a jackass who ruined analog photography
and now in this thread how the new head of alaris is more of the same.

same $ht different day
 

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The strange thing is that if we compare the interest in analogue in the U.S. and Europe based on APUG membership then in percentage terms the U.S. wins hands-down. The Europeans based on our percentage here on APUG should be the one complaining about lack of processing outlets, shouldn't they?

Maybe most U.S. analoguers are here on APUG but most European analoguers can't be bothered to join :D

On the other hand Ilford do seem to rate the contribution to its profit that its U.S. customers make and as an astute business this would suggest that it's the U.S. that has the consumer analogue leverage.

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The strange thing is that if we compare the interest in analogue in the U.S. and Europe based on APUG membership then in percentage terms the U.S. wins hands-down. The Europeans based on our percentage here on APUG should be the one complaining about lack of processing outlets, shouldn't they?

In Germany there are a few national drugstore chains, around each town, that still sell film and still take-in exposed films to send to industrial labs.
Furthermore there are still small photo-shops even in small towns, that do the same.


(Though slide film seems to vanish from those chain stores.)
 

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Well, that's comforting in some way. To my mind, Germans have a knack for a craft like photography. He might actually take an interest in seeing it stay alive. They do have a reputation for the finest made equipment in the world. They seem to be able to keep their mind on their work. Or such is my impression of them.
 

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Yes. He was born in Bacharach.

Never heard of that place before...

Yes, he got a strong german Accent. Well, you did not hear me speaking English...



Tom, don't trust reputations.
 

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This is heard repeatedly from USA. Is it really so bad over there?

I'm very fortunate to have access to Rockbrook Camera close by. They do proper C-41 processing in house. I can get a roll of 120 developed and scanned for $10 and 48 hour turnaround.

If push comes to shove, there are any number of good places available by mail if you don't mind adding a few days to the process.

I agree with the earlier comment that the real problem is that all the one-hour labs that served the casual market are gone. That presents something of a barrier to re-entry for people looking to get back into film. Sure, you can still drop off film at just about any drug store or grocery store, but they just send it out, resulting in a sharp decrease in convenience for consumers. It used to be part of my routine to drop off some film, shop for the week's groceries, then pick up the finished prints as I left the store. Can't do that anymore.

(But you CAN still do that at Costco...you just have to send them digital files first. They don't process film anymore either.)
 

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Worry is a natural extension of the more basic fear of the unknown that has been naturally selected into each and every one of us over the last five million years. And for very good reasons. It's a form of abstract thinking that allows for the identification and avoidance of future threats and dangers. As such, it is ultimately a mechanism to help insure survival of the species.

In this particular case, worry allows an individual to identify conditions and patterns today that may constitute a threat to the availability of certain photographic films in the future. Correct identification of such future dangers would allow for their avoidance by the mechanism of transitioning to substitute films before the current ones disappear.

Several years ago I looked at the situation and began worrying about the future availability of Kodak Plus-X film. At the time this had been my standard use film for 30 years. Worry helped identify both the danger, and the mitigating action. I switched to Ilford b&w films before that danger overtook me. And, of course, Plus-X is now extinct. Mission accomplished.

Those who worry are proactive, and very little sneaks up and bites them in the butt. Those who don't worry are reactive, and generally have butts covered with painful teeth marks. And since danger in life is ever present, I'll take the former approach over the latter any day. It makes sitting in chairs much easier.

There is only one mad individual I know of who lives life by the credo "What? Me worry?"

:tongue:

Ken

Ken,

I thought that people who worry too much drop dead from stress prematurely. Then they wouldn't be able to enjoy the stocked up freezers :tongue: Better be careful there :smile:
I never heard of any health problems by living a stress free life and my butt is just fine, thanks for asking. See, in the end you switched films. Which would have been the same with a person who didn't worry. The result is the same by both parties.

Am I worried if Kodak drops dead, not really. I will just buy enough of their film to last me few years.
Am I worried that Neopan 400 is discontinued. Nope, I just stocked up my freezer with it.
Same with Provia 400X, E100G, E100VS and Reala 100. I'm not worried. Will I miss them once I run out, yes.
As long as Portra 400 or Pro400H and Ektar survives I will be fine one way or another with colour.

Worst case I will have to use my DSLR more often and maybe buy a bigger freezer. Am I worried about it. Nope, it will happen when it happens.
 

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Ken,

I thought that people who worry too much drop dead from stress prematurely. Then they wouldn't be able to enjoy the stocked up freezers :tongue: Better be careful there :smile:
I never heard of any health problems by living a stress free life and my butt is just fine, thanks for asking. See, in the end you switched films. Which would have been the same with a person who didn't worry. The result is the same by both parties.

Am I worried if Kodak drops dead, not really. I will just buy enough of their film to last me few years.
Am I worried that Neopan 400 is discontinued. Nope, I just stocked up my freezer with it.
Same with Provia 400X, E100G, E100VS and Reala 100. I'm not worried. Will I miss them once I run out, yes.
As long as Portra 400 or Pro400H and Ektar survives I will be fine one way or another with colour.

Worst case I will have to use my DSLR more often and maybe buy a bigger freezer. Am I worried about it. Nope, it will happen when it happens.

wise person you are ..
worst comes to worst
you coat your own paper or glass or metal images ..
 
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I thought that people who worry too much drop dead from stress prematurely...

Heh, heh... Fair enough.

But you know, it's the people who drop dead because they think they heard a sound... they KNOW they heard a sound... but it just wasn't worth it to them to turn around for a look... standing as they were on those empty railroad tracks... because what is going to happen, is just going to happen... and by the grace of God and Physics, it then certainly did... they never even needed to go toward the Light, the Light conveniently came to them...

:eek:

Sometimes a little bit of that 5-million-year-old worry can be a good thing.

:wink:

Ken
 

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Ken,

I thought that people who worry too much drop dead from stress prematurely. Then they wouldn't be able to enjoy the stocked up freezers :tongue: Better be careful there :smile:
I never heard of any health problems by living a stress free life and my butt is just fine, thanks for asking. See, in the end you switched films. Which would have been the same with a person who didn't worry. The result is the same by both parties.

Am I worried if Kodak drops dead, not really. I will just buy enough of their film to last me few years.
Am I worried that Neopan 400 is discontinued. Nope, I just stocked up my freezer with it.
Same with Provia 400X, E100G, E100VS and Reala 100. I'm not worried. Will I miss them once I run out, yes.
As long as Portra 400 or Pro400H and Ektar survives I will be fine one way or another with colour.

Worst case I will have to use my DSLR more often and maybe buy a bigger freezer. Am I worried about it. Nope, it will happen when it happens.

Isn't Pro400H already discontinued? Lol :smile:
 

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No, it's not. That's how rumours start. :wink:

According to Fuji's site it's no longer available in sheet film, that may be where I was getting that from.

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Why is sheet always the first to die?
You'd figure sheet is where film shines
 

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Sales volume (or lack thereof) drives product cancellations.

The note I sent him essentially dealt with this issue.

It addressed both the idea of running a kodak version of ilfords ULF special order, as well as explaining how to prevent a line switch.

I related it to having 3 lines of motorola telephone versions and killing the executive version, the trickle effect of all the executives moving to a company that would still provide the executive phone, leaving Motorola.... So I hope that translated well.
 

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Sales volume (or lack thereof) drives product cancellations.

yup, been that way since the beginning

no point selling a product that costs more money to make
than it provides in revenue ( doesn't pay for itself ).
even a kid with a lemonade stand knows
if you don't break even you lose money.
 

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bars give away peanuts for free

peanuts cost next to nothing and are salty which gets people to buy more beverages.
and drinks at a bar are marked up about 4-5x cost ...
i guess K gives us the film canisters and the box for free :blink:
 
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