Arches Platine

[Manuel G Teixeira]

This is interesting: I am just about finished printing a portfolio (that should have been finished years ago, but that's another story), and have run short of paper. I bought 250 sheets of 11x14 COT320 (the excellent batch 5212) for this project in the fall of 2009 but I think I must have used some of it for something else last year and have come up 20-25 sheets short.

So I just opened up a package of 22x30 COT320 (batch 5207) to cut down a few sheets and just as I'm about to put the first sheet into the Rototrim I notice there is a watermark which reads ... (drumroll) ... Arches Platine.

Of course I am aware of the speculation that the COT and Platine were made from the same stock and possibly on the same molds, but I guess this confirms the suspicion. This paper is still ever-so-slightly creamier in color than the Platine that I have on hand, which is consistent with past experience. It also has trimmed edges like COT, rather than the deckled/torn edges of Platine.

I'll see how it prints tomorrow.

~ Keith

I agree with you concerning the quality of the 5212 batch. #5213 is not so good and the #5114/1 batch is even worst.
After reading your reference of the Arches Platine watermark in the Cot 320 #5207, I've inspected, one by one, my remaining COT320, 20x24", 100 sheet stock of the same batch. Unfortunately, I could not find any similar watermark.
Nevertheless,like you, I could detect black spots in many of those sheets.

 

[Manuel G Teixeira]

Colin, I made a print with the oxalic acidified Arches 90#, pure palladium with a hint of NA2...beautiful results, slightly less speed than Fabriano EW, but the real surprise was Stonehenge (white). Beautiful range of tones, great dMax, separation and a nice warm color. Very rich print, IMO. This paper was also acidified.

My previous batch of Fabriano, even when acidified and re-acidified, does not reach the richness and depth of the Stonehenge.

Did you try already this OxA acidification method with the COT320 ?
What dilution do you usually use ?
I'm asking this hoping that I could save some of my bad COT320 stock.
Thanks.

 

[PVia]

Manuel, I'll use anywhere from 1 - 5% for between 3 - 8 minutes.

Try starting out with 3% for 5 minutes, and test it.

I've never used COT 320...

 

[Dana Sullivan]

A heads up on the latest news: Platine should be available in about 3 weeks. Folks on the east cost of the U.S. might see it earlier from distributors out there.

Even more good news: Revere Platinum, the first brand new paper for Platinum/Palladium printing in over 15 years will be hitting our shores around the same time. Available in not only the standard 300GSM/140lb, Legion Paper went a step further and produced a lightweight 145GSM/67lb version for us. Pricing on the 300GSM should be around 25%-30% less than Arches Platine, and the 145GSM will be less than 1/2 the retail price of Platine. Look for Revere Platinum at Bostick & Sullivan, NY Central Art Supply, Daniel Smith and Talas. Our in-housetests show the Revere to be incredibly easy to work with, and produces Pt/Pd prints similar in tonality to Platine and COT-320. A big thanks to Martin Axon and David Michael Kennedy for their input as well.

-Dana Sullivan
Bostick & Sullivan

 

[cabestan]

Great news! I can't wait to test this new Revere Platinum from Cartiere Magnani.

Prices from Legion Paper :
22 x 30, 300 gsm - suggested price $8.30
30 x 44, 300 gsm - sp $16.60
22 x 30, 145 gsm - sp $4.65

 

[Dana Sullivan]

I haven't had official pricing set, but I'm looking at around $5 USD per sheet for the 300GSM 22x30 depending on quantities. 145GSM should be around $3 USD for 22x30 sheets. We'll have free samples available as soon as it lands. I'll keep everyone posted.

Dana Sullivan
Bostick & Sullivan

 

[Solarize]

A heads up on the latest news: Platine should be available in about 3 weeks. Folks on the east cost of the U.S. might see it earlier from distributors out there.

Even more good news: Revere Platinum, the first brand new paper for Platinum/Palladium printing in over 15 years will be hitting our shores around the same time. Available in not only the standard 300GSM/140lb, Legion Paper went a step further and produced a lightweight 145GSM/67lb version for us. Pricing on the 300GSM should be around 25%-30% less than Arches Platine, and the 145GSM will be less than 1/2 the retail price of Platine. Look for Revere Platinum at Bostick & Sullivan, NY Central Art Supply, Daniel Smith and Talas. Our in-housetests show the Revere to be incredibly easy to work with, and produces Pt/Pd prints similar in tonality to Platine and COT-320. A big thanks to Martin Axon and David Michael Kennedy for their input as well.

-Dana Sullivan
Bostick & Sullivan

This really is fantastic news! I just hope we get someone in the UK carrying it soon. Thanks for the update Dana.

-Ciaran

 

[gmikol]

Even more good news: Revere Platinum [...] Our in-housetests show the Revere to be incredibly easy to work with, and produces Pt/Pd prints similar in tonality to Platine and COT-320.

How does this new Revere Platinum work with Type II cyanotype? Stonehenge works OK for me with a fair amount of citric acid, but it would be nice to find a better (than Stonehenge), and less expensive (than Platine & COT-320) choice for Ware cyanotype.

--Greg

 

[Dana Sullivan]

"Street Price" on the Revere Platinum should be right around $5 a sheet for the 300GSM 22x30 and $3 for the 145GSM 22x30.

 

[Dana Sullivan]

European vendors: I'm not sure if there will be anyone in Europe stocking this paper. Yes, it's made by Magnani in Italy, but Legion Paper owns the name and formulation. As far as I know, all the paper must come to the U.S. first, and then back out to distributors.

Type II Cyanotypes: Not sure on this one. I've tested the Revere Platinum with Pt/Pd, vandyke and traditional cyanotype and had great results. When Legion approached me about making a new paper, I told them that it had to be free of absolutely all buffers. Revere Platinum has no calcium carbonate or buffers added at any point during manufacturing, so it shouldn't need any acidification. Personally, I'm excited about the 145GSM version, because I think it will make a great paper for floating albumen.

Dana Sullivan
Bostick & Sullivan

 

[Kerik]

Great news, Dana! Looking forward to samples.

 

[Davec101]

This really is fantastic news! I just hope we get someone in the UK carrying it soon. Thanks for the update Dana.

-Ciaran

I had a look at your website, are you really claiming to be the only portrait photographer in the world to be printing in platinum!

 

[Solarize]

I had a look at your website, are you really claiming to be the only portrait photographer in the world to be printing in platinum!

No, of course not - that would be an utterly ridiculous claim! I could probably count a dozen on this forum alone. I am very specific with the way I have chosen to construct the sentence I assume you are referring to. Nothing has been written to mislead, and I have researched my market very thoroughly. The website is a marketing tool, so of course the distinctions I make between my services and those of any other, are absolutely in the detail and wording. Naturally the statement is designed to impress a potential client. It certainly isn't there to irk other photographers or printers, many of whom I am grateful to have had the opportunity to learn from. For even further clarity I have changed a word in the description, but please read the sentence as it was actually written before calling me out publicly.

 

[Davec101]

No, of course not - that would be an utterly ridiculous claim! I could probably count a dozen on this forum alone. I am very specific with the way I have chosen to construct the sentence I assume you are referring to. Nothing has been written to mislead,......

I am the only full time professional Family Portrait Photographer in the world that both makes handmade prints with the platinum process, and frames the results in-house to museum standards

I find the wording highly misleading, having taught you the process only last year to make such bold claims is quite something. Half a dozen of the people that I have taught over the last 5 years now specialise in printing portraits for clients in platinum, thats just in England. I was in fact directed to your website by one of them.

 

[Bob Carnie]

Tony Hauser in Toronto has been making platinum family portraits in his Front Street location for over thirty years and continues to. His clients range from familys to world leaders.
as well frames all his work in house.
I know of at least 25 workers in Canada who do this as well.

I am the only full time professional Family Portrait Photographer in the world that both makes handmade prints with the platinum process, and frames the results in-house to museum standards

I find the wording highly misleading, having taught you the process only last year to make such bold claims is quite something. Half a dozen of the people that I have taught over the last 5 years now specialise in printing portraits for clients in platinum, thats just in England. I was in fact directed to your website by one of them.

 

[Solarize]

I have removed the claim entirely. Despite extensive searching I could not find anyone else and made the claim with best intentions - and evidently, naivety. Please overlook this error in judgment. I am sorry. Dave, I would love to know of others in he UK. I have received numerous emails from people who would like to do something similar, and have myself turned them to your website. None of them claimed to work professionally or frame to museum standards.

 

[Solarize]

European vendors: I'm not sure if there will be anyone in Europe stocking this paper. Yes, it's made by Magnani in Italy, but Legion Paper owns the name and formulation. As far as I know, all the paper must come to the U.S. first, and then back out to distributors.

Dana Sullivan
Bostick & Sullivan

Thanks. It could well end up cheaper importing on larger orders anyway.

 

[Ray Bidegain]

Hi Dana:

Please put me on the list for samples, I have been looking for a new paper for some time now and am looking forward to seeing this one.

Best,

Ray Bidegain

 

[clay]

Dana,

Let me know too about samples of this new paper when you get it in. Exciting to have a made to order paper for our process! Any idea what the surface texture is like? Hot-pressed and smooth, or what?

Cheers
Clay

 

[donbga]

European vendors: I'm not sure if there will be anyone in Europe stocking this paper. Yes, it's made by Magnani in Italy, but Legion Paper owns the name and formulation. As far as I know, all the paper must come to the U.S. first, and then back out to distributors.

Type II Cyanotypes: Not sure on this one. I've tested the Revere Platinum with Pt/Pd, vandyke and traditional cyanotype and had great results. When Legion approached me about making a new paper, I told them that it had to be free of absolutely all buffers. Revere Platinum has no calcium carbonate or buffers added at any point during manufacturing, so it shouldn't need any acidification. Personally, I'm excited about the 145GSM version, because I think it will make a great paper for floating albumen.

Dana Sullivan
Bostick & Sullivan

Hi Dana,

It was great to see you in Atlanta at the SPE convention and it's really encouraging to hear about the new Revere Platinum paper. If you have enough samples to go round I'd like to try 2 or 3 sheets.

Thanks,

Don Bryant

 

[PVia]

BTW, anyone using the new(er) Weston Parchment from Butler-Deardon?

I have a few sample sheets that I'm looking forward to trying...

 

[donbga]

BTW, anyone using the new(er) Weston Parchment from Butler-Deardon?

I have a few sample sheets that I'm looking forward to trying...

What's new about it?

Don

 

[PVia]

OK, so it's a few years old...geez.

 

[Davec101]

Platine has finally arrived in the U.K, will get some tests done on it in the next couple of days. News from John Purcell Paper is that Martin Axon (he originally formulated the paper with Arches) has given it the okay with his particlar platinum printing process, however I am unsure which he uses.

I will be writing it all up on my blog together with a report on a new linen paper for use with platinum printing (as well as other alternative print processes.) The paper is called 'Herschel' and it has been developed by Mike Ware with the Ruscombe Mill based in France. Additional information can be found here www.ruscombepaper.com

 

[Bob Carnie]

Waiting to hear your thoughts Dave.