Hmmm! This statement must be said with a wink. A few years back I took a picture of a locomotive with all it's brass knobs, shiny chrome and deep blacks. Nice bright sunny day with plenty of clouds. I was using an old Kodak Monitor 620 with red "special" lens and respooled 120 PanF+. Shooting with the sun behind me and using my meter in incident mode, I bracket 1 stop each side in 1/2 stop increments. I then developed the roll in Rodinal 1:100 for 30 minutes, stand. Actually, I think it was more like 40 minutes, but can't remember for sure. I had no complaints except for a hardly noticeable bit bromide drag. The clouds were just as detailed as I remember, shadows very good, as were the blacks. Even the white limestone between the track ties held perfect detail. Like I said, I had no complaints and I'm sure I could have figured out how to take care of the bromide drag problem. I found the frame taken at ISO 32 equivalent was the best. I never went further in testing or using PanF since I preferred fast film (HP5+) when shooting 120 format. I don't shoot 35mm very much at all, but if I did I would certainly try to see what I could do with PanF and my Contax G-lenses. It might not work stand development wise with all those sprocket holes and bromide drag. Of course, one doesn't know until one tries. JWIts a great film and it could build up contrast really fast. So you may tune your dev. times for contrast and exposure to capture shadow detail.
* Do not stand develop this film in Rodinal @1+100
I’m wondering.
Could we use this film and if we were to be unsatisfied, by the end of the day, could we just leave it undeveloped for let’s say 5 years so the images could get completely erased? And then reshoot it?
No? If the answer is no, this proves a few points. The first point in no particular order, would be that the silver doesn’t regenerate itself. Also, another point is that it doesn’t start degenerating as soon as it’s exposed, but rather as soon as the film has been manufactured. It basically starts to expire as soon as it’s manufactured.
There is really a point to be made wether Ilford sells this film unfresh. And they very well could, because slow film doesn’t fog as it ages, but it can have a side effect of losing sensitivity as all films do. Therefore people simply underexpose it as they shoot and they mistake it as “poor latency”.
I’m amazed at the fact that my own experience of excellent Pan-F image latency is ignored while everyone favors the theory of poor latency just because they read it somewhere. And of course, the internet has this way of spreading truths *Yawn*
I’ve simply not encountered this problem. Therefore I just can’t accept it as universally true. I’m much more inclined towards my theory of it being expired and therefore underexposed at iso 50, depending on which production roll you are using. It is a much more plausible theory.
And I really doubt that this film is a great seller. They manufacture it once and restart production when it dries up, which according to the internet “truths”, it is what happened to the original acros; so many people had these theories flying around. Well now this might well be pan-F’s truth as well. I’ve yet to read a scientific explanation on pan-f, it’s all parroting.
I had a large amount of PanF+ over 10 years old (frozen) and did a controlled test of the oldest in the freezer vs freshly purchased, current emulsions. The curves laid perfectly over each other, giving me confidence that the older film would perform as the new film did. This doesn't speak to the latent image issue but indicated to me that the emulsion was stable, at least when carefully stored. I don't recall now about the edge markings (it was long ago that I did this).
The characteristic curve explains it all. It's basically an S-curve with very little straight line. So this is a very poor choice of film for high contrast situations. But if the lighting is softer, it can work magic. The poor latent image keeping qualities are well documented. I wouldn't worry about developing it a month later, but six months or a year later might bring you irremediable issues. I rate it at 25 and develop it in 5:5:100 PMK pyro for only 6 or 7 min @ 68F. It does streak more easily than other films, so a tiny amt of EDTA in the dev solution helps.
mmerig - you're totally wrong. Look at the length of the published curves in relation to each other. Practical testing confirms exactly what I stated, and it's been a known problem with PanF for decades. Even Ilford's marketing literature and description of these two respective films implies exactly the same thing. I've made hundreds of densitometer plots with FP4 (both old and new style), have shot and printed a great deal of it, especially 4x5 and 8x10 sheets, and have every legitimate reason to believe I understand these films far better than you do. I've got the two published curves right in front of me, right now, in their official tech sheets. You've stated all this backwards. It's Pan F that has the limitations of an S-curve, and FP4 the long straight line once it launches off the toe.
which data sheets are you looking at? I just went to Ilford’s website and pulled both down. Panf is straight, Fp4 is S shaped.
At this point I am too afraid to ask what all these terms like "S Curve" and "long toe" mean lol
Terminology may be new to some, but I think anyone who's ever used "Curves" tool in any image editing program would immediately understand the meaning of this.
Maybe I'm taking this off-topic, but do densitometers still make sense? Modern camera sensors pack so much dynamic range at their native ISO. Is it possible to produce the characteristic curve of a film by stacking 11 grey cards for each zone to fill 100% of the frame, shoot RAW exposing for the middle, convert to TIFF using linear curve and then sample luminosity in each zone? What does the old school method of shooting 11 exposures with the same card, and using densitometer add to the table?
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