... With the newfangled stuff when makin negs where nothin moves often I would sometimes give expanshun a boost by workin in some reciprocity failure. Thats what we call a trick...
It is but,VC papers clipped its wings a bit.Some believe that all the paper grades cam be reproduced using filters. It just isn't true. Some of the grades are hard or impossible to achieve. So the Zone System is still very useful.
Hi, I have posted a YouTube video brazenly entitled "The Zone System is Dead." It shows a method I have worked out for controlling contrast in the development of black and white film. The video is intended for photographers who process their own films. I submit that the method described is simpler and more straightforward than the Zone System. The method does require darkroom testing. I use my enlarger and a Stouffer step wedge. The method tells you how to produce (for your film and developer) your lowest and highest contrast levels, and then how to produce equally spaced contrast levels in between. Finally, it shows how to assign ASA numbers to the contrast levels identified.
It is but,VC papers clipped its wings a bit.
I agree Doremus. If we look at the work of Thomas Joshua Cooper. John Blakemore, Linda Connor, Olivia Parker etc we can see the "cult of pre-visualisation" which works exceedingly well for them. the images in "Between Dark and Dark", Thomas Joshua Cooper, is a very good example of the control of shadow detail and the lower zones.
Craft is the key to good photography it frees us to make the images we want, we aren't slaves to craft (which is what opponents of the Zone System think) we need to be the masters. That freedom allows greater creativity in the knowledge that you will succeed in what you strive to achieve.
Ian
It is but,VC papers clipped its wings a bit.
Quite logical - so if you are a "slave" of technical parameters the next step could be to make you a slave just to shot special motives and nothing else. ...
My equipment is allways "My slave" and same is with technical issues.
(just stupid if it does not work as I want it.....)
with greetings
Maybe instead of declaring the zone system dead, the OP could have titled the thread "How I utilize select portions of the zone system to obtain my results".
It is but,VC papers clipped its wings a bit.
The ZS is just as applicable to modern films as it was to earlier ones. But there is no law that says you have to use it, or can use it only in that given manner "It's my way or the highway" certain workshop gurus teach it. You can bend it, adapt it, and mould it to your own specific needs, or just plain ignore it. But for some, it will still be valuable to learn.
Exactly, that is why the Zone System is not needed. One needs to learn to print the many tones in film on to fewer tones on paper.
If people want to use it as a "visualization" tool (?), fine. But they should also know the controls are quite limited in the context of print quality. Printing is where the control is at.
Shooting using the Zone System is more like driving stick shift. You have more control, but it requires more work. Shooting without placing zones is more like driving automatic. Works most of the time and it's pretty good. There are times when an automatic transmission has to put into a lower gear going uphill.I don't think anyone is suggesting shooting from the hip as an alternative to using the Zone System. You can be every bit as (or more) meticulous about craft without it.
If people want to use it as a "visualization" tool (?), fine. But they should also know the controls are quite limited in the context of print quality. Printing is where the control is at.
Think whatever you want about control, Ian. Not interested in arguing with you about print quality.
Think whatever you want about Zone System controls, Ian. I'm not an "opponent" of the Zone System. I just don't need it anymore. I'm interested only in the best possible print quality, and I know what is and isn't possible when making negatives.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?