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Did you buy a $500 half frame camera? Or did it come flying into your home through an open window?
Also, for clarity's sake - this is as far as I'm concerned not about you, personally. The point I made is that if people want to do darkroom printing, they generally can overcome the hurdles.
Set your goals a bit lower at the beginning.
Didn't you say you lived in Las Cruces....a city of over 100,000? You're 4 hrs from Santa Fe. If you want something for nothing....it's a matter of being in the right place at the right time.
$300-500 for a MF Camera or enlarger isn't a big risk.... but no one will knock on your door.
I've been offered at least 30 high-end professional enlargers for free over the past 20 years. I don't have space for more than 4 or 5 enlarging stations, so accepted only one such offer, a fully equipped Durst 184 10X10 unit with colorhead,
which cost around $27,000 back when new in the 70's. I put a few hundred dollars, and one month of weekends, into refurbishing it to 95% new cosmetically, and 100% functionally, including a new bellows.
Yes, I live in Las Cruces. I don't literally want something for nothing. I was just responding to one particular comment that said that some people have had the fortune of being near someone offering an enlarger for nothing. I was not trying to say that that's where I set the bar.
I guess it depends on what money means to you. I cannot remember ever spending $500 on something that I didn't feel confident I knew would function and that I would in fact use them. I spent $500 on my film camera and $1,000 on my digital camera. In each of those cases, I had a pretty good idea what I was buying, I had warranties, and previous experience.
A similar example would be if I used a community darkroom with a suitable enlarger and gained experience with that. Or if I had used an enlarger in school. In my case, 18 months ago I had not even heard of an enlarger. Knowing what you're getting into is a big part of judging whether $500 is a lot of money or not. Since I was talking about barriers to entry, that means I'm talking about people who are not already deep into the hobby.
FWIW, if @dcy was local, and wanted a working enlarger that could handle medium format and half frame 35mm, I would have quickly made that happen.
There are pockets of people around who have excess stock, who would be happy to either give him one - likely - or sell him one at a favorable price.
There actually may be a bigger barrier - @dcy 's understandable desire to buy new.
I once bought a new enlarger - in the 1970s. I actually sold that enlarger recently. All the others were bought used.
This really highlights what is a more important issue - @dcy and others probably are in more need of in-person, on-hand support from real people with some real experience and knowledge. As wonderful and useful as the internet is, it doesn't replace the benefit of on-hand experience.
In addition, experience leads to ease of use - you figure out good work-arounds.
In case you haven't looked at it, this STICKY thread about various creative solutions for the temporary darkroom challenge may be useful: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/bathroom-and-other-temporary-makeshift-darkrooms.35581/
But one thing I regret is underestimating my enlarger needs. I started out with a just OK 6x7 color enlarger, and within a year realized that if I was going to get serious, I needed something more solid with bigger film and printing size capacity.
Yeah, you might need to pick it up somewhere; nobody is going to ship it for free.
If I remember correctly, when I got my enlarger, almost half of the cost was just shipping.
Yes, barriers are real.Darkroom printing is a dying hobby. Barriers are real.
I picked up my Durst 138 around the time the analog 'revival' was just starting to happen. It was listed on a local forum. Nobody seemed to be interested; eventually I jumped the gun and got into the car to pick it up. the kind old fellow tried very hard to get me to also take the other three he had. I didn't budge; one was enough. He ended up taking them to the scrapyard.Here in Holland big enlargers bring in more money as scrap metal than trying to sale them for the intended use.
Yes, barriers are real.
That is more or less the position I find myself in right now. A while ago I spent some time looking at affordable vintage MF cameras and I thought perhaps I'd give the format a try. Then I realized "what am I going to do with the negatives?". I have no way to print them.
If I remember correctly, when I got my enlarger, almost half of the cost was just shipping.
I just donated mine to someone starting a community darkroom. Even for free it took time to find someone who wanted it.II saw a Focomat V35 on offer recently which I could have bought with everything in the original packaging 1hr drive away: 180 € asking-price. It was an icon in its day and still is a wonderful machine. Nobody wants it.
Durst 138
a big roller transport processor for color printing
I suppose, although the 138 head is not as voluminous as the big, black heads of the later Dursts. I consider this an advantage; in my multi-purpose darkroom/home office/hobby space it's not as much of a black hole as many other enlargers this size would have been.From my experiences with them, 138's can be trickier to rehome than either bench 4x5's or relatively compact floor standing 4x5's or 8x10's (De Vere 5108)
This one ran on a single phase. The dryer could be removed/disconnected to drastically cut back power use. A Printo I've got, as well as a pair of RCP20's, which is one (more) reason I didn't jump on the Colenta myself. Poor W.A.F. was also a concern for a machine this size.The issue with Colentas (and other bigger RT paper processors) isn't so much the plumbing, it's the need for 16A or 3-phase power - and their sheer mass.
Yes, barriers are real.
Let me tell you an anecdote.
Not so long ago, I spent some time with people in a local community center here. They had a photo club going on with a decent number (10+ or so) of people shooting film. I asked if there was any interest in color - sure enough, there was. So, would these people perhaps entertain the idea of also printing their color work? OH WOW! IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE!!! So we went through the whole routine of "but aren't we going to die because of the fumes", "it's too difficult", "the materials and equipment don't exist anymore" etc. etc.
To cut a long story short, I agreed with them that if they would assign a suitable space and a couple of people who would start to learn printing, I would make sure the equipment and materials would magically arrive at their doorstep. We walked through their facility and located a virtually unused space, no windows, with running water and power, easy to darken - in other words, perfect for a darkroom; it required virtually no modification (literally: unscrew one light bulb). Having made our agreement, I went cracking and drummed up what would be needed; some kind people donated an enlarger, timers, trays; we got Fuji to commit to sponsoring at least an initial batch of paper and chemistry.
Everything arranged for them, for FREE, no cash out of pocket, and I would teach them how to print color. All they had to do, was to show up.
I'm still waiting for the call.
People 'want' something until they hit upon a barrier. It'll be space, equipment, chemistry, concerns about safety, knowledge - and if you get down to it, it's mustering up the energy to show up. It's always something.
Here's another story. Or actually, several - there's a group of people I loosely associate with; our shared interest is in analog color printing. Take this one young artist. She is perpetually strapped for cash, has basically no home (moving from one room to another) - but she wants to print (color, alt. process; anything she can get her hands on, really). And despite having none of the means to be able to do so, every time I talk to her she has somehow arranged a space, some people to drag that big old roller transport processor of hers into, and she's churning out new work. She has barriers in spades - yet, she gets the f*** job done. The rest of that group are similar.
You won't find them on forums complaining about barriers. They run into problems and work to solve them, because they want to print.
There's apparently a secret sauce involved, and my hypothesis is that's a combination of good old MOTIVATION and a healthy dose of GET UP AND GO.
If I look at those who perpetually talk about how nice it would be to print their work, but somehow never get round to it, the main determinant is a lack of exactly those things. Sorry to be so blunt about it, but truth hurts, sometimes.
As to your barrier of not having the right enlarger - the situation isn't going to resolve itself by talking about it.
I do think that if I had not been taught the rudiments of enlarging and printing at school, I would not have realised that I enjoy it and am capable of achieving reasonable results. If I had not been armed with that knowledge, I would be a good deal less intent on one day getting a full darkroom set up. Unfortunately darkroom skills are almost viewed as magic by many people who haven't had the opportunity to try. When I tell people that I develop film, including cine film, they look upon me as if I am some wizard. But really, it's easy. I was taught very young and have all the equipment I need stored in one bag in a corner of the living room.
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