Snowy Alpine Scenes: General Thoughts

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Taking light readings off palms makes the assumption that everyone has the same skin color as back in the TV days of Leave it to Beaver and Andy Griffiths; and even then there were those with deeper tans. Makes no difference, a midpoint reading isn't likely to give you an accurate estimate of bright snow tonality and sparkle itself, unless you have a lot of practice with that very scenario. Gray cards, if you can find a decent one, can be helpful in moderate contrast color scenes, because color film saturation is based on a midpoint. But differentiating life and sparkle versus general highlights in fresh snow or gleaming ice using b&w film can vary quite a bit from midpoint depending on circumstances. In Zone lingo, if mid gray is Zone V, those highlight gradations might be anywhere from Z 7 to Z12 or more, hardly something you want to guess about. Open sun can pose a much greater contrast range than the soft light of falling snow. And what looks OK on the web might look as flat as a soggy pancake as an enlargement in print.

So how do you measure it?
 

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What if you're wearing gloves? 😎

That is why gloves and mitten have dumb-dumb straps. Remember them as a kid? They keep the glove or mitten from falling off the ski lift. Skiers and snowboarders have them now.
 

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Who skis with a tripod and backpack?

A backpack for lenses and film, maybe. Tripod rarely, but never a gray card. That is what a palm or incident meter is for. It is called photographing while skiing not carrying a photo studio around, which as it may dawn on you now; is not done when skiing or snowboarding.
 
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A backpack for lenses and film, maybe. Tripod rarely, but never a gray card. That is what a palm or incident meter is for. It is called photographing while skiing not carrying a photo studio around, which as it may dawn on you now; is not done when skiing or snowboarding.

It's safer to use a point-and-shoot with a built in meter when you're skiing.
 

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It's safer to use a point-and-shoot with a built in meter when you're skiing.

It depends on what one wants to photograph. The requirements for large print landscapes is not the same as aerial acrobatics on skis or snowboards and is not the same for portraits. Those could be taken with a point and shoot but serious work requires more advanced equipment and there is still no room for a friggin' gray card.
 

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First time I ever cross-country skied I had an 85 lb pack on with 8x10 camera gear in it. The second time, a month later, I took a 4x5 Sinar and did overnight snow camping. Kinda like being a runaway truck on the downhills, though. I was accompanied by my nephew, who was not only an expert skier, but worked in backcounty ski rescue some of the season. I found out soon that snowshoes work way better for me. It's lot easier to closely approach an interesting rock or tree on snowshoes, and to tamp down a suitable snow platform for the tripod, generally my bigger Ries wooden one, ideal for snow conditions.

But don't go around saying it can't be done on skis. Anyone who knows even a little bit about history of mountain and arctic photography knows better than that. And incident meters? That refers to incidental random luck with a snow shot once in awhile. If you want predictable spot-on results every time, use a spot meter instead.

And palms have nothing to do with snow photography, especially when wearing mitts. Perhaps you're confusing this with your SoCal palm trees along the beach, or maybe with the Central Valley definition of palm, well below snow-line, which only pertains to green, where some developer greases the palm of a local administrator with greenbacks. Well, that no doubt occurs in SoCal too. Still, no relation to snow photography.
 
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First time I ever cross-country skied I had an 85 lb pack on with 8x10 camera gear in it. The second time, a month later, I took a 4x5 Sinar and did overnight snow camping. Kinda like being a runaway truck on the downhills, though. I was accompanied by my nephew, who was not only an expert skier, but worked in backcounty ski rescue some of the season. I found out soon that snowshoes work way better for me. It's lot easier to closely approach an interesting rock or tree on snowshoes, and to tamp down a suitable snow platform for the tripod, generally my bigger Ries wooden one, ideal for snow conditions.

But don't go around saying it can't be done on skis. Anyone who knows even a little bit about history of mountain and arctic photography knows better than that. And incident meters? That refers to incidental random luck with a snow shot once in awhile. If you want predictable spot-on results every time, use a spot meter instead.

And palms have nothing to do with snow photography, especially when wearing mitts. Perhaps you're confusing this with your SoCal palm trees along the beach, or maybe with the Central Valley definition of palm, well below snow-line, which only pertains to green, where some developer greases the palm of a local administrator with greenbacks. Well, that no doubt occurs in SoCal too. Still, no relation to snow photography.

I once went out to shoot 16x20" ULF with a pack mule. The mule got so tired I had to carry the camera and the mule.
 

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I am my own mule. That's why an ordinary mule is probably smarter than me. They're forced to do it, and sometimes laid down in a stream if they thought they could get away with it.

We had a family friend who was a famous Rodeo star and became very wealthy as a Rodeo hall-of-famer. When he got too old for bronc and bull riding competition himself, he became a rodeo clown, tempting the bulls toward himself. Got gored six times over his career. He was a big guy, and part of his preliminary act was to pull a baby donkey out of his huge baggy clown pants. When the donkey got too big he gave it to my sister as a pet. Then much later, when I was teenager, I went through the local rite of passage of working for a pack station one summer. Lots of fun and bruises, but I have always preferred the greater liberty of traveling the mountains on foot.
 
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Who skis with a tripod and backpack?

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Skis and a tripod are better for going down a slope than going up a slope. But not the thread is really going downhill quickly.
 

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It does feel like the gray day it looks to be.
 

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But it could also have looked more like this...
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which reflects the reality of that day?!

Who knows? I wasn't there at the time...but have seen both light conditions before...
and it then depends on what the photographer was trying to say, which in this case is that some idiotse ski with packs and tripods where other fear to tread..
 

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Who knows? I wasn't there at the time...but have seen both light conditions before...
and it then depends on what the photographer was trying to say, which in this case is that some idiotse ski with packs and tripods where other fear to tread..

OTOH, the relative brightness...from black to white remains a constant...photograph a white-to-black step in 1/15 f/2 or 1/400 f/16 and white looks white (Zone 8) and black looks black (Zone 1) and mid-tone looks 18% grey (Zone 5) regardless of the ambient or supplement light that the photograph is taken.
How we wish to portray the real vs. the brightness at which we photograph or print are entirely separate issues. If we had a reference area (a known tonality) in the photo -- even the palm (Zone 6) of the guy in the photo -- we would know where 'reality' falls.
 
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...we would know where the perception of our personal reality falls (or fails) 😎
 

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Forget bracketing.

Even more reason to bracket. But again, the OP hasn't told us what he's shooting.

Bracketing is only to be avoided if one lacks curiosity about the variety in results one can achieve by choosing to make small to moderate changes in exposure - including with slide film.
It has a related cost - in film and processing and time - but it also offers benefits, when used intentionally.
A digital example, where a "properly" exposed frame was "blah"

The use of bracketing in photography is an idea deeply rooted in white privilege as it reflects the privilege of being able to choose the best possible outcome from a range of options. This privilege is often not available to marginalized communities, who may not have the same access to resources or opportunities to capture the perfect photo.

The use of bracketing can exclude alternative perspectives and experiences, as it focuses on capturing a single, "perfect" version of a scene. This can reinforce the idea that certain perspectives and experiences are more valid or important than others, and further marginalize marginalized groups.

Additionally, the use of bracketing can reinforce harmful stereotypes and biases, as it allows photographers to select and highlight certain elements of a scene, while downplaying or ignoring others. This can contribute to the perpetuation of harmful narratives about marginalized groups, and reinforces the dominant culture's power and control over the narrative.

In contrast, a more inclusive and equitable approach to photography would involve actively seeking out and amplifying diverse perspectives and experiences, rather than relying on bracketing to control the final outcome.
 
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