Yes, wishful thinking I'm afraid. The more they improve Phoenix to be a better C-41 film the less suitable it will be as a reversal film.
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The only positive (excuse the pun) news is that when they finally make a decent version of Phoenix, it might only need fairly minor further development to make a transparency film to rival Provia 100f. Wishful thinking perhaps but why not dream?
Yes, wishful thinking I'm afraid. The more they improve Phoenix to be a better C-41 film the less suitable it will be as a reversal film.
Steps towards maturity would involve adding masking and also taming gamma. Especially the former will be an impediment to alternative use as a slide film. The latter may also have implications for e.g. dmax.Why's that?
At the same time, adding a colloidal layer, present in reversible films, should not be very complicated.
Why would they do this, though? The yellow coloration to the first wash suggests (as per interpretation of @Lachlan Young earlier on this forum) that Harman leverages a dye-based yellow filter system, which eliminates the necessity of a Cary Lea silver filter layer. I do agree that it's counterintuitive that Harman at this junction would attempt to make a positive film based on Phoenix, although selling it perhaps with a complementary chemistry kit as such might be in line with their existing multi-purpose marketing strategy.
I would share some test for get slides from Phoenix 200.
The speed is quite low, at 16 ISO there is the best balance between highlight and shadows. Color balance is quite good and color fidelity is like the Phoenix in C-41, brilliant reds and blues but yellow, orange and caucasian skin tones are lacking hue and saturation. Looking at the grayscale of the color-checker there is just a bit of cross-color with warm highlight and cold/greenish shadows.
This was the Process I used:
First developer Kodak HC-110 (old formula "Original Syrup") 1+19 for 6'30" @ 38°C
4 water rinses of 30" each
Inversion exposing the reel at a 400w halogen lamps for a total of 4', flipping upside down the reel after 2'
Color developer of Bellini C-41 kit for 3' @ 38°C
4 water rinses of 30" each
ECN-2 ferrycianide bleach (SR-29) for 5' @ 38°C
4 water rinses of 30" each
Rollei RXN neutral fixer 1+4 for 5' @ 38°C
wash
C-41 stabilizer
These are scans of the transparencies:
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ISO 16 ? Did you mean 160? The three passport colour checkers photos, what where the settings ISO and EV?
@chromemax.
You are close to inspiring me to actually try reversal processing Phoenix for fun (I never thought I would try Phoenix, it's so "bad"!).
I understand you were deliberately using chemicals you already had, but all I've got on hand is an Adox E6 kit. Is using this kit doomed to failure, and if so, why (e.g. CD3/CD4 problem)? And if not, can you suggest a starting ISO for me?
One more Phoenix reversal, I think in soft light the way it picks up colors is beautiful.
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