Printing a sky - What would you do?

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Just realized that some people use the 00 and some just the 0...is there a reason for one or the other? I can't imagine there's much difference.
I learned to split print with the 00 and 5. I assume that way gives the greatest range the paper can deliver. Haven't tried with the 0 instead, but now I use an LED head with green/blue anyway.
 

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I learned to split print with the 00 and 5. I assume that way gives the greatest range the paper can deliver. Haven't tried with the 0 instead, but now I use an LED head with green/blue anyway.

Based on Lina's video the difference in the 2 prints at 00 and 0 looked very marginal to the extent that in most negatives I suspect that grade 0 is fine to use

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I’m sure the difference is subtle. But the point of split-grade printing is really in the combination of the hard and soft grade filters, plus burning and dodging with them. You could burn a highlight black (or damn close) with a 00 filter if you give it enough time.
 

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At the end of the day, any individual photograph requires x units amount of blue light and y units amount of green light. At what enlarger settings these are delivered is immaterial. Enlarger to enlarger and paper to paper the numbers will vary (not to mention negative to negative). For the enlarger where this matters the most to me, I know that a Grade two filter effect requires a proportion of blue and green light at 22 units to 78 units; in another enlarger a setting of 41 yellow and 32 magenta for x number of seconds is equivalent; in another a simple Ilford #2 under lens filter. All must deliver the same total amount and combination of blue and green light.
To me it does seem that, for split printing, using the most extreme settings available allow for the most flexibility. It may not matter usually for a base exposure but for a burn you would probably like to keep the effect as pure as possible.
 

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A white sky is just unexposed paper! This was a fun print from last year where I flipped the paper 180 degrees in the easel after the first exposure and re-printed the whole image in the unexposed sky. I did end up having to make a simple mask though. Even though the sky printed totally white, it was enough to pre-flash the paper and the second exposure was significantly darker.

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ha! :smile: I like your attitude!
It's a matter of creative survival. I live pretty close to Ketchikan, which makes Seattle looks darn near arid.
 
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If necessary, I leave it up to you to explain "Spinal Tap" references to Daniela 😉
I'm vaguely aware of the reference, but haven't watched the movie...the Photrio U education continues! 😂
Daniela, here's a different approach by Lina Bessonova that may be closer to what Koraks and others were suggesting. In this video she does show the prints from the same negative at all the grades so that's helpful and it is done in a straightforward, easy to understand way.

At the end she compares it to her best print at one grade and while the differences are slight, they are there

Here it is:

I hope this helps. She is a good presenter in my opinion who has done a number of videos on a range of darkroom matters

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I've seen it and I agree with you: her videos are well thought-out and helpful. Fun fact (for me): we apparently studied in the same university at the same time, but never met.
A white sky is just unexposed paper! This was a fun print from last year where I flipped the paper 180 degrees in the easel after the first exposure and re-printed the whole image in the unexposed sky. I did end up having to make a simple mask though. Even though the sky printed totally white, it was enough to pre-flash the paper and the second exposure was significantly darker.

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So beautiful! A white sky certainly has its place and you've shown the nice graphic quality it can add. My gripe with it was more related to the lack of sunshine in daily life than with how it shows up in photos (although I much prefer fluffy clouds).
 

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Ok, drop the darkroom stuff and watch it first. Some things just take priority over a lot of other stuff :wink:
Dang...something else for the to-do list! 😆
Speaking of white skies, check out Micahel Kenna's trees, shot in Japan in the winter. He is certainly not afraid of a lot of featureless skies--or foregrounds. https://www.michaelkenna.com/gallery.php?id=123
I love the stillness of his photographs, yet I find them depressing right now. I know it's not a permanent thing. I bet that if I look at them in the summer, I'll wish to be there. I'm not sure I've expressed myself clearly. I love winter and cloudy days, it's the endlessness string of gray days that I dislike and that, in turn, makes me dislike the gray/empty skies of the photos I take. I guess it'd be akin to not liking a song because you were feeling crappy the first time you heard it. Mood affects perception. It's not about fear, ignorance or rigidity of thought. It's just a reflection of an emotional state. And like with anything in life, this too shall pass. Now, will you just let me be and dream of fluffy clouds?! 🤣

I am not afraid of featureless skies.
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Dang...something else for the to-do list! 😆

I love the stillness of his photographs, yet I find them depressing right now. I know it's not a permanent thing. I bet that if I look at them in the summer, I'll wish to be there. I'm not sure I've expressed myself clearly. I love winter and cloudy days, it's the endlessness string of gray days that I dislike and that, in turn, makes me dislike the gray/empty skies of the photos I take. I guess it'd be akin to not liking a song because you were feeling crappy the first time you heard it. Mood affects perception. It's not about fear, ignorance or rigidity of thought. It's just a reflection of an emotional state. And like with anything in life, this too shall pass. Now, will you just let me be and dream of fluffy clouds?! 🤣


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If you find your weather is depressing, live in Rochester New York for a while and then everything will feel better when you get home again. Do you know why George Eastman chose to establish Eastman Kodak in Rochester New York? Because it is the world's largest natural darkroom. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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If you find your weather is depressing, live in Rochester New York for a while and then everything will feel better when you get home again. Do you know why George Eastman chose to establish Eastman Kodak in Rochester New York? Because it is the world's largest natural darkroom. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I've lived in Chicago. I wonder how it compares...
 

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I've lived in Chicago. I wonder how it compares...

Rochester is worst for overcast skies plus the number one tourist site is a cemetery and it goes down quickly from there.
 

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If you find your weather is depressing, live in Rochester New York for a while and then everything will feel better when you get home again. Do you know why George Eastman chose to establish Eastman Kodak in Rochester New York? Because it is the world's largest natural darkroom. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Keep in mind that George Eastman eventually killed himself so there is that.
 

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Rochester is worst for overcast skies plus the number one tourist site is a cemetery and it goes down quickly from there.

From my point of view, the number one tourist site would be the George Eastman museum!
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I am not afraid of featureless skies.
Neither am I. But then, this is the eastside of the Sierras and not the sky...

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I have no problem with white skies and so would leave as is. Although if you are a landscape photographer, I can understand why this may concern you.
 
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Is he buried there? That would be a good reason to visit the cemetery. After all, Père Lachaise is a destination in Paris.

According to this article, which details his last night, his "ashes were buried on the grounds of Eastman Business Park in Rochester, New York, and his home, known as George Eastman House, is now a museum of international photography."

I like cemeteries. Père Lachaise is certainly worth a visit, even if the hoards of tourists are annoying. I've actually never made it to any of the famous graves for this reason.
 
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