Orwo colour film teaser?

[Ten301]

Kodak did have issues with scale when they had a number of facilities and demand was shirking, now that Kodak is down to just one plant and demand is increasing as long as Kodak can it's production lining line running 24/7 it will have an advantage over the smaller producers. With Fuji selling rebranding Kodak 200 and 400 35mm it means that Kodak can keep it's coating line busy. Still, due to Kodak's scale what they make as to be in quantity. Wonder if Kodak "lab coater" is not busy why they could not coat a limited run of older films, like Panatomic X or Plus X? Sell has a higher cost to people who would be willing to may a higher price?

With Fuji selling rebranding Kodak 200 and 400 35mm it means that Kodak can keep it's coating line busy.

Have I missed something? I know Fuji is selling rebranded Kodak 200, but 400, too?

 

[koraks]

So now I don't understand why everybody is assuming Kodak is the manufacturer that would have the least cost

It's because you don't differentiate between marginal cost and fixed cost. Kodak's marginal cost is likely power than that of smaller competitors. However...

The whole point of, for example, the Ferrania project, was to dramatically scale-down the operations of a big factory

I don't think that's a fair comparison or a good analysis. The point of Ferrania was to try and resurrect something that had gone belly-up. In that sense it operated as a startup. Startups are generally characterized by both (relatively) high marginal AND fixed cost since they're in the initial phase of R&D, setting up operations etc. It's an unsustainable mode of operation, hence the reliance on business angels, subsidies or venture capital instead of sales revenue as primary means of survival. That's not a good comparison with a firm like Kodak, which does primarily live off its sales.


Having said all that, I do also doubt that Kodak's structure is viable in today's market. It seems to still rely too much on achieving low marginal cost through high volumes, but this market at best requires medium volume and especially high mix / heterogeneous product offering. So yes, I do still think as apparently people 8-10 years ago said that more agility is necessary. But to get there from where e.g. Kodak is, is likely a fairly traumatic and risky endeavor. In that sense perhaps a startup has a somewhat better outlook since they don't carry the (financial and material) burden from the past.

 

[AgX]

Well, we can banter about terms. At a start-up I first think of an enterprise starting from scratch. New Ferrania at first made one think at a re-start on strongly shrunk base. They took over parts of the necessesary assets and the missing part (chemical plant) was next door. And seemingly for themselves the situation looked more promising then it turnd out.

 

[koraks]

You always start with something, regardless of where it comes from. Could be a skillset developed at a previous employer, research output from a PhD, equipment scavenged or bought from previously accrued capital, etc etc etc. Nothing emerges from a perfect vacuum. Fact of the matter is that Ferrania has operated in a very typical manner of startups and was/is not much different from other startups. Which is also reflected in an erratic development pattern and high risk.

 

[Paul Howell]

Yep, as I understand it Fuji is selling rebranded Kodak 400. Don't know if Fuji is only selling rebranded Kodak in the US and maybe the EU or in Asia as well. Although not a Arcos user been told that new Arcos is made by ILford, some say the emulsion is make in Japan and coated in England, other that ILford makes it, others say it is Delta or a close version of Delta 100. Other than Instafilm (sp?) Fuji may be out of the film making business, so much for Fujifilm.

 

[AgX]

Yep, as I understand it Fuji is selling rebranded Kodak 400. Don't know if Fuji is only selling rebranded Kodak in the US and maybe the EU or in Asia as well.

It has been reported this month to have shown up at a german chain-store.

 

[flavio81]

Yep, as I understand it Fuji is selling rebranded Kodak 400. Don't know if Fuji is only selling rebranded Kodak in the US and maybe the EU or in Asia as well. Although not a Arcos user been told that new Arcos is made by ILford, some say the emulsion is make in Japan and coated in England, other that ILford makes it, others say it is Delta or a close version of Delta 100. Other than Instafilm (sp?) Fuji may be out of the film making business, so much for Fujifilm.

Controled tests of Acros vs Acros II (the latter with the Ilford involvement) show they are almost the same, for example spectral sensitivity seems the same, so it's very doubtful it has anything to do with Delta 100.

 

[brbo]

Anyway, you can now pre-order Wolfen NC500 at Orwo Shop.

Price is in the Portra 400 territory, 14.50 EUR!!!

 

[faberryman]

For those of us in the US, one roll is $16.00 plus $32.10 for shipping for a grand total of $48.10.

 

[Ten301]

For those of us in the US, one roll is $16.00 plus $32.10 for shipping for a grand total of $48.10.

And for that price, thanks but no thanks.

 

[faberryman]

And for that price, thanks but no thanks.

I tried to find out what the shipping cost would be if I ordered 10 rolls, but it wouldn't give me that information unless I filled out all of the payment information which I declined to do.

 

[AgX]

For those of us in the US, one roll is $16.00 plus $32.10 for shipping.

A business has to pay at German Mail 5.00€ to send a roll of film around the world.

 

[brbo]

I tried to find out what the shipping cost would be if I ordered 10 rolls, but it wouldn't give me that information unless I filled out all of the payment information which I declined to do.

I get shipping cost immediately after adding the film to the cart. Shipping is the same whether I order 1 or 100 rolls.

 

[foc]

More from Orwo:

WOLFEN COLOUR CINE FILM ENTERS PRODUCTION

 

[Raghu Kuvempunagar]

Looks like the samples posted have improved in quality month by month.

 

[Agulliver]

Looks like the samples posted have improved in quality month by month.

Indeed the latest sample images do look better. Hopefully a sign that they're improving their film with every run.

I've heard from ORWO that they do intend to make their colour negative cine film eventually available in 8mm format. Which might just be something I'd buy depending on price.

 

[AgX]

We should not forget that the seemingly Orwo firms are still in big trouble. It has not made public if and how their creditors have decided on how things shall go on.

 

[Raghu Kuvempunagar]

Indeed the latest sample images do look better. Hopefully a sign that they're improving their film with every run.

I've heard from ORWO that they do intend to make their colour negative cine film eventually available in 8mm format. Which might just be something I'd buy depending on price.

Orwo is saying that the new colour film would be available in 65mm format as well.

 

[markjwyatt]

Interesting that they choose to rate the film as ASA instead of ISO.

 

[Agulliver]

Interesting that they choose to rate the film as ASA instead of ISO.

Ferrania also did this. I wonder if it's because they haven't performed all the tests in the ISO standard?

 

[markjwyatt]

Ferrania also did this. I wonder if it's because they haven't performed all the tests in the ISO standard?

That is what I was thinking. They might be set-up for the old ASA/DIN, but not the newer ISO standard. Should be pretty close.

 

[Agulliver]

ORWO have stated this colour negative movie film will be C41. How many labs are set up to process movie film in C41? ie long lengths of 35mm...as well as amateur rolls of 16mm and 8mm?

I'm considering giving it a go in 8mm, but would prefer not to process it myself. I have the equipment but not any C41 chemicals. I process B&W usually. I have done E6 in the past but it's quite a faff getting temperature settled.

 

[brbo]

ORWO have stated this colour negative movie film will be C41.

AFAIK they didn't say that. They said that it will be ECN-2.

The fact that they list their (limited supply!) still film (Wolfen NC500) as C-41 means very little. ECN-2 film can be cross processed in C-41 as evident with Cinestill films. Results are still acceptable for the crowds that only scan the film.

 

[Agulliver]

I asked on their Facebook page and they said it would be a C41 movie film.

 

[AgX]

The fact that they list their (limited supply!) still film (Wolfen NC500) as C-41 means very little. ECN-2 film can be cross processed in C-41 as evident with Cinestill films. Results are still acceptable for the crowds that only scan the film.

Expectations on what kind of films are actually offered sank extremely over the last years...