Nikon F2 - Use after storage

[BradleyK]

Please do come back to APUG when you have time; I'm learning a lot from your comments and assume others here appreciate your input too. snip

+1.


BLK

 

[leicarfcam]

From post 7 "I can assure you that the battery itself had nothing to do with either issue.." This is you directly contradicting a repair report with pictures.

What repair report??

You obviously did not read that in proper context. He claimed a large piece of the battery chamber caused the issue. No way...the part was simply too larger to get between the mirror box and the rear of the crate.. There is only about 1/4 inch between the two..

"Any particular reason you're doing this here and now? I can see no good just ego stroking which should be done privately. Stop it." Martin Crabtree asks you why you are doing this.

Up front I did not start anything. Someone else took issue and contacted Sover. Sover is the one who showed up trying to defend himself when there was no need to do so.. At no point did I say he was not a good repairman.

"Up front you come off as being the only one in town who can properly repair a F2" seems like your impression.

Explain this statement since I don't know where I even came off in that manner..in fact I said in one of the post "no matter how good you think you may be, there's always someone better than you".

"Fact: I never questioned his ability.." You called Mr.Wongs honesty into question instead. See Post 7.

You have pointed back to post #7 twice so would you please explain where I called his honesty into question...

 

[Sean Mac]

Hi again,

I have quoted your own words to you.

Not interested in teaching english comprehension.

Read the thread from the beginning.....

 

[Sean Mac]

I can assure you that the battery itself had nothing to do with either issue.

This is an assertion.

"Something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof." from the "Free Dictionary"

I professionally repair equipment far more complex and dangerous than clockwork cameras. I have done this since 1985. After years of training.

I would never make a comparable statement about anything I didn't have my hands on.

Your assertion is the direct equivalent of calling Sover Wong a liar.

"Up front you come off as being the only one in town who can properly repair a F2"

You said that. Given the complete lack of supporting evidence I can only conclude this is an impression or opinion you are espousing.

Have fun with that...

 

[Xmas]

This is an assertion.

"Something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof." from the "Free Dictionary"

I professionally repair equipment far more complex and dangerous than clockwork cameras. I have done this since 1985. After years of training.

I would never make a comparable statement about anything I didn't have my hands on.

Your assertion is the direct equivalent of calling Sover Wong a liar.

"Up front you come off as being the only one in town who can properly repair a F2"

You said that. Given the complete lack of supporting evidence I can only conclude this is an impression or opinion you are espousing.

Have fun with that...

Hi Sean

You get an A at English.
I've opened up a Nikon SLR and got half of the Lagan estuary out of it, none of it was foam debris...

Noel

 

[leicarfcam]

Hi again,

I have quoted your own words to you.

Not interested in teaching english comprehension.

Read the thread from the beginning.....

As for that battery chamber, it was not previously repaired by epoxied and I have not seen a battery chamber broken like that before. It was the loose piece from the battery chamber that dislodged the tape which pulls the shutter curtain.

This is what Sover Wong said about it. Maybe you should review the entire thread before making assumptions yourself.

Again the part is simply too large to squeeze between the mirror box and rear section of the crate.. In other words the broken battery chamber DID NOT cause the shutter tape issue..Period...

Since you choose to twist words you know nothing about, I will end this conversation.. But before I do so, I want to say again Sover Wong I'm sure is a competent F2 repairman and I have never questioned that. I simply don't care for his price structuring.. If you go to his website and read his different levels of service you'll see he does not fix certain possible issues found.. http://soverf2repair.webs.com/Images/f2_options.jpg

 

[Xmas]

This is what Sover Wong said about it. Maybe you should review the entire thread before making assumptions yourself.

Again the part is simply too large to squeeze between the mirror box and rear section of the crate.. In other words the broken battery chamber DID NOT cause the shutter tape issue..Period...

Since you choose to twist words you know nothing about, I will end this conversation.. But before I do so, I want to say again Sover Wong I'm sure is a competent F2 repairman and I have never questioned that. I simply don't care for his price structuring.. If you go to his website and read his different levels of service you'll see he does not fix certain possible issues found.. http://soverf2repair.webs.com/Images/f2_options.jpg

It has not occurred to you that you have made an assumption in your 2nd para? I'll leave that as an excercise...

If Sover provides a fixed price in his service schedules you would not expect him to fix every possible fault?

Knocking other people's marketing is the first thing they warn you about on a marketing course. I'll assume you have not been on one, as you seem to like. Or maybe it was so delinquent?

 

[leicarfcam]

It has not occurred to you that you have made an assumption in your 2nd para? I'll leave that as an excercise...

That is not an assumption. It is a well known fact that when stress is placed on plastic or other material it eventually leads to breakage.. If it had been a design flaw, Nikon would have modified it but there was never a change to design..

If Sover provides a fixed price in his service schedules you would not expect him to fix every possible fault?

I would if I were the customer. If I send a camera in for repair I expect to get it back working right...not partly right.

Knocking other people's marketing is the first thing they warn you about on a marketing course. I'll assume you have not been on one, as you seem to like. Or maybe it was so delinquent?

I didn't waste my money listening to other give a lame talk..

Most camera repair techs still give a single price after evaluating the camera and that has been the best route.

 

[Sean Mac]

That is not an assumption.

Assumption; a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.

Another dictionary definition for you....

 

[Sean Mac]

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you CAN make words mean so many different things.” “The question is”, said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – that's all.”

 

[Xmas]

Most camera repair techs still give a single price after evaluating the camera and that has been the best route.

Well ELeitz used to quote a price for a 'general service' for a M body: today that would be a CLA.
They inspected and did not proceed unless it was within there general service schedule. If it was outside they sent a quote.
They would do things not on a general service like replace parts, labour is expensive, I've had

- new wind on lever
- new speed dial
- new wind on gear cluster

All within a general service

 

[leicarfcam]

Well ELeitz used to quote a price for a 'general service' for a M body: today that would be a CLA.
They inspected and did not proceed unless it was within there general service schedule. If it was outside they sent a quote.
They would do things not on a general service like replace parts, labour is expensive, I've had

I have been certified by Leitz since 1972 on the screw, SL, and M-serries and this is not true..

You explain what your camera needs and a single price is quoted and all work is done on that price..

The camera is completely stripped down serviced and new parts (as needed) added within this price.

Now when older screw Leicas were upgraded to IIIf specs or a double stroke M was upgraded to single stroke there was an additional charge over and above the actual service charge..

 

[Sean Mac]

I have been certified by Leitz since 1972 on the screw, SL, and M-serries and this is not true

There you are Noel... in Colyns little world you are a liar.

Quoting his own words back to him is "twisting" them.

A very special snowflake...

 

[Sirius Glass]

Gee, I am kinda glad that I stayed out of this dog fight.

 

[Sean Mac]

Any particular reason you're doing this here and now? I can see no good just ego stroking which should be done privately. Stop it.

Post 14

Should have stopped there....

 

[John_Nikon_F]

:munch:

-J

 

[Sirius Glass]

Who is taking the bets on the winner? What are the odds now?

 

[Sean Mac]

Leicarfcam, you keep back tracking what you said.
{snip}
I have had enough of your challenges, as I am not retired and I have a lot of work to do. So by all means criticise me as much as you want, and direct work to other people whom you don’t know personally. You have not seen my work, and yet rate me as average. Many of my customers had used other repairers before, and only they can compare the quality of my work with others. I will not log onto APUG any more, because there’s no point debating with a nameless, faceless person who thinks he can do everything.

Seems the APUG community has lost....

 

[ColColt]

Unfortunately-this went way too far.

 

[BradleyK]

Seems the APUG community has lost....

+1.

 

[leicarfcam]

Unfortunately-this went way too far.

That's true. I didn't expect people who would try to keep up the debate by name calling...

When name calling starts...I'm gone..

 

[MartinCrabtree]

We should be so lucky.

 

[Xmas]

I have been certified by Leitz since 1972 on the screw, SL, and M-serries and this is not true..

You explain what your camera needs and a single price is quoted and all work is done on that price..

The camera is completely stripped down serviced and new parts (as needed) added within this price.

Now when older screw Leicas were upgraded to IIIf specs or a double stroke M was upgraded to single stroke there was an additional charge over and above the actual service charge..

I regret to advise more assumptions again
It happened in '74 it was a black paint M2 and they had no spares for a stripped brass wind on cog so they replaced the whole gear system speed dial and wind one lever and surround using a black paint M4 spare set and warned that there was compromised dirt clearance.
Why would I lie?
You have told us that Sovers battery diagnosis could not happen...
Is the world flat or round...

 

[frank]

Putting aside the posturing, this discussion boils down to a disagreement about whether a swollen battery could damage the plastic chamber enough so that it could affect the shutter curtain ribbon, or not. That should be simple enough to ascertain. That's the issue, right?

 

[Sirius Glass]

Frank, you are being logical. This dust up has to do with emotions. Use of logic does not apply.