New Print Film from Bergger

[payral]

Sorry, part is in french only for now.

 

[AgX]

A print film is a film intended to show a positive.

The Bergger statement you show, states it however as inter-negative or inter-positive film. The usual term for such is a lab-film


I find this new Bergger film neither on their company site nor on their Facebook page.

 

[OGTrout]

A print film is a film intended to show a positive.

The Bergger statement you show, states it however as inter-negative or inter-positive film. The usual term for such is a lab-film


I find this new Bergger film neither on their company site nor on their Facebook page.

They've since added a facebook post:

RELEASE

In 2014, it was decided by Bergger to relaunch the production of analogue films, based on silver halide technology. PANCRO400 was introduced on the market as a unique, and innovative black and white film.
Relying on this experience, it was decided to introduce a new film on the market :

BERGGER PRINT FILM

mainly dedicated to darkroom use, and especially the making of interpositives and internegatives. It is a continuous tone film, which contrast is easily under control during the processing step.

BERGGER PRINT FILM is coated on a 175 microns PET base, for an easy handling. It is mainly sensitive to blue radiations, and is almost blind past 500 nm. Consequently it is perfectly usable with a traditional darkroom safelight.
BERGGER Print FILM photosensitive emulsion is yellow tinted and is very resistant to scratches. A very efficient undercoated anti-halation layer provides a maximal resolution. The red tinted backside has anti-static properties.
BERGGER Print FILM will be available at the beginning of september in the following sizes :
sheets 4x5 – 5x7 – 8x10 -11x14
rolls 50,8cm x 10 m – 108 cm x 10 m

 

[AgX]

A lab film in the most literal meaning: to be used in the darkroom at safety lighting.

 

[pentaxuser]

So one of the purposes of this film is that it enables you to make an inter-negative at say 8x10 or larger from a 35mm or MF negative in an enlarger then use that inter-positive to make a positive contact sheet. Does this result in a higher resolution print than would be possible from a normal enlargement at 8x10 from a 35mm negative? If not then the main benefit of this film will be inter-positive enlargement from 35mm or MF to say 8x10 for transparencies but without colour .Have I got this correct or are there other major advantages in using this film?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[OGTrout]

So one of the purposes of this film is that it enables you to make an inter-negative at say 8x10 or larger from a 35mm or MF negative in an enlarger then use that inter-positive to make a positive contact sheet. Does this result in a higher resolution print than would be possible from a normal enlargement at 8x10 from a 35mm negative? If not then the main benefit of this film will be inter-positive enlargement from 35mm or MF to say 8x10 for transparencies but without colour .Have I got this correct or are there other major advantages in using this film?

Thanks

pentaxuser

I've been trying to work out in my head where this would fit in the dakroom for myself but can't.
Thinking out loud (so forgive me), maybe there's a use for image duplicating so that dodging/burning only has be done once rather than at each copy

 

[Kino]

It can be used to make;

• 1 to 1 size inter-positives from negatives for bulk duplication (making copy negatives for mass duplication).
• Image size manipulation of both enlargement and reduction to produce alternative process contact printing elements.
• Altered image dupe negatives (from a manipulated inter-positive) without altering the original negative.
• Transparencies of varying sizes from varying size original negatives.
• Whatever you can conceive that fits within the physical and chemical properties of the film itself.

Like any film stock, it can be used for traditional purposes but can also be used for non-standard processes with experimentation and testing.

The only limitations are the physical/chemical limitations of the stock, your standards for image quality and your imagination.

 

[AgX]

So one of the purposes of this film is that it enables you to make an inter-negative at say 8x10 or larger from a 35mm or MF negative in an enlarger then use that inter-positive to make a positive contact sheet. Does this result in a higher resolution print than would be possible from a normal enlargement at 8x10 from a 35mm negative?

A internegative never increases the resolution, to the contrary. But employing a high resolution internegative film one however may be able to keep the losses beyond perception.

The idea of an orthochromatic. or even just blue-sensitve film in still photography is to use it for a variety of darkroom manipulations by making deliberate internegatives. Issues here may be selective exposure, control of contrast, masking, solarisation, enlarging to a more easy to manipulate size etc...

Have a glance through an old textbook on graphic manipulations in the darkroom.
https://www.amazon.de/Schritt-zur-Foto-Grafik/dp/3776311312

 

[Rudeofus]

• Image size manipulation of both enlargement and reduction to produce alternative process contact printing elements.

I did like your other points, but this one really sticks out. Imagine taking the shot of your life with a small or medium format camera, then making a copy of the negative onto an 8x10" or 11x14" sheet, which you then use for cyanotype. Looking forward to getting my hands on this film!

 

[BrianShaw]

A internegative never increases the resolution, to the contrary. But employing a high resolution internegative film one however may be able to keep the losses beyond perception.

The idea of an orthochromatic. or even just blue-sensitve film in still photography is to use it for a variety of darkroom manipulations by making deliberate internegatives. Issues here may be selective exposure, control of contrast, masking, solarisation, enlarging to a more easy to manipulate size etc...

Have a glance through an old textbook on graphic manipulations in the darkroom.
https://www.amazon.de/Schritt-zur-Foto-Grafik/dp/3776311312

It’s been decades since I’ve had any need for internegs... but I’ve ALWAYS seen degradation resolution.... ALWAYS. I’d be pleasantly shocked if it were possible to keep that degradation beyond perception. Wouldn’t that be wonderful, though.

 

[BrianShaw]

... but a new film is fantastic news! I just keep wondering how big the market for such a product might be. It’s obvious that I don’t have a clue anymore.

 

[BrianShaw]

I did like your other points, but this one really sticks out. Imagine taking the shot of your life with a small or medium format camera, then making a copy of the negative onto an 8x10" or 11x14" sheet, which you then use for cyanotype. Looking forward to getting my hands on this film!

A nice “analogue” alternative to a digital neg.

 

[removedacct1]

Imagine taking the shot of your life with a small or medium format camera, then making a copy of the negative onto an 8x10" or 11x14" sheet, which you then use for cyanotype.

I welcome this notion and will happily use a film like this for this purpose exactly. Now lets hope the American supply chain can actually get the Bergger product into our shops.

 

[Lachlan Young]

Sounds like a re-make of Guilleminot Helioguil, which seems to have essentially been something a bit like Kodak 4135 Gravure Positive film. The description of the acutance dye and anti-halation dye colours only re-inforce this. It looks to be very handy for many things, especially if you are into photogravure.

 

[Bob Carnie]

I am purchasing this film in Rolls to run in my lambda to make enlarged negatives or positives .. for contact printing on all silver paper, and for pt pt and gum overs.. as well I plan to archive bodies of work with real film for future generations to work with. This is an incredible good news item for us wet darkroom workers.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

A nice “analogue” alternative to a digital neg.

For somone who uses digital negatives a lot recently (me) and used to make internegs for small format negatives all the time, this is fantastic news. I still prefer the look of a contact printed in-camera negative.

 

[AgX]

... but a new film is fantastic news!

Is it a new film ? Similar films always have been on the market.

(A first glance at what is on offer already did not come up with a perferct match though, as far as one do with scace information.)

In any case it comes in a handy conversion, what is most important anyway.

 

[Lachlan Young]

Is it a new film ? Similar films always have been on the market.

(A first glance at what is on offer already did not come up with a perferct match though, as far as one do with scace information.)

In any case it comes in a handy conversion, what is most important anyway.

Agfa Avitone P3p-HR or something based on it is a distinct possibility. I'd looked at buying some of the PD3p-OS for making single step enlarged negatives & the choice of stock sizes was extremely limited & geared almost entirely to the aerial photography market.

 

[AgX]

There are several manufacturers' ranges to look at. But as said no obvious match.

If there is an eays way to control its contrast, that would be a benefit. In the long past there were as well medium contrast as high contrast unsensitized films in darkroom formats.

 

[Lachlan Young]

There are several manufacturers' ranges to look at. But as said no obvious match.

If there is an eays way to control its contrast, that would be a benefit. In the long past there were as well medium contrast as high contrast unsensitized films in darkroom formats.

The possible giveaway is the scratch-resistance which is a headline feature of P3p-HR, as is its blue sensitivity & readily alterable contrast. Essentially the film spec that seems to have been desired is a normal contrast film with ability to raise and lower contrast via developer choice, but with lower green sensitivity than Ilford Ortho+ which really needs a #2 safelight - not a high light level at all.

 

[payral]

 

[Peter Schrager]

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Payral is that box in your hands??
Give feedback please!

 

[payral]

Payral is that box in your hands??
Give feedback please!

I am sorry Peter but I just received a picture of the box from Bergger. We all have to waite.

 

[StrangestStranger]

Anybody hear any news on this film?

 

[Bob Carnie]

I am getting about 4 rolls of this for making digital negatives....