Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

[Alan Edward Klein]

Kodak Alaris was responsible for all the different international importation requirements, all the different packaging requirements and regulations in the various target marketplaces, all the specialized shipping requirements.
They organized information and orders from the various segment market distributors - those who serviced the drug store and grocery store industries (display card mounted film), those who serviced the camera store environment, those who serviced the technical and commercial distribution systems, dealt with the various international requirements of all those distributors, organized orders from all those disparate distributors, coordinated the needs represented by those orders with the production schedules of EK and then presented one or more confirmed orders to EK.
E K had/has no infrastructure capability to deal with an order from a distributor in, e.g. Portugal, who services a few retail outlets in Spai and Portugal, and needs product labelled in Spanish and Portuguese.

How did Alaris get the film from Eastman? Did Eastman ship to Alaris who reshipped to the secondaries? If so, where was Alaris? If not, how did the film get to those secondary distributors? I have no info on this. Do you?

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Maybe I missed something but isn't the whole idea that EK distributes directly in North America only, while Alaris handles ROW? I remember a few of us speculating earlier that it was a move by the owners of both, to get around the new Trump tariffs.

It could be that simple. But that means that Eastman ships film to Alaris outside the USA, who then reships back into the USA and gets tariffs attached. Is that how film for USA sale gets shipped?

 

[mshchem]

How did Alaris get the film from Eastman? Did Eastman ship to Alaris who reshipped to the secondaries? If so, where was Alaris? If not, how did the film get to those secondary distributors? I have no info on this. Do you?

I have no idea how this works. I do know that I can get a return label from a seller, slap it on a box and have UPS, FedEx etc get it anywhere in the world. If Alaris was/is handling billing, import export etc all Kodak would need to do is slap a label on the box.

Again unless someone here works in public relations for these companies all we have thus far is art work. New cartons.

 

[MattKing]

What I do know about international shipping is that during the height of the COVID pandemic, it was Kodak Alaris that was struggling with the disruptions to the shipping and export and import systems, not their customer distributors or their manufacturer Eastman Kodak.
Of course, all those disruptions caused all sorts of problems for everybody.

 

[Prest_400]

Tim Ryugo, the sales rep for Kodak film has just posted about his long career and being "back with Eastman Kodak" as well as reassuring that the main IG account for stills is @kodak.
So, an example of the discussed transfer of scope from Alaris (not mentioned) and people towards EK?

 

[koraks]

That's heart-warming!

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

I don;t have Instagram. Could someone ask him what's going on with film availability and also what happened to Alaris sales of Kodak film? How is all that being handled? Then repost here.

 

[Cholentpot]

Tim Ryugo, the sales rep for Kodak film has just posted about his long career and being "back with Eastman Kodak" as well as reassuring that the main IG account for stills is @kodak.
So, an example of the discussed transfer of scope from Alaris (not mentioned) and people towards EK?

He looks like a 'one of us!' person. Can he be The One to bring back Kodachrome?

 

[ChrisGalway]

He looks like a 'one of us!' person. Can he be The One to bring back Kodachrome?

Be thankful if they keep making Ektachrome! No chance Kodachrome, processing is too specialised.

 

[mshchem]

That's cool!

 

[Cholentpot]

Be thankful if they keep making Ektachrome! No chance Kodachrome, processing is too specialised.

I want the brand back. I don't care if it's just warmed up rebranded Ektachrome. It'll sell like hot cakes. Sometimes you need marketing.

 

[brbo]

Could someone ask him what's going on with film availability...

What's wrong with Kodak film availability?

 

[thinkbrown]

I want the brand back. I don't care if it's just warmed up rebranded Ektachrome. It'll sell like hot cakes. Sometimes you need marketing.

Yeah, I think this is potentially a good idea.

 

[koraks]

I don;t have Instagram. Could someone ask him what's going on with film availability and also what happened to Alaris sales of Kodak film? How is all that being handled? Then repost here.

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I think if anyone's going to waste a salesperson's time, it should be the guy who comes up with the vague request.

 

[Cholentpot]

Yeah, I think this is potentially a good idea.

It doesn't have to be K-14. It's arguably Kodaks most well known name. Might as well strike while the metal is hot. I've been pushing this for a while. Imagine the noise if Kodak says Kodachrome is back and easier then ever!

Look, the people who actually shot the stuff know better but aren't the market now. Yes, we know it's not the original K-14 process but if Kodak can get the look in E-6 they won't be able to keep it on the shelves.

 

[ChrisGalway]

It doesn't have to be K-14. It's arguably Kodaks most well known name. Might as well strike while the metal is hot. I've been pushing this for a while. Imagine the noise if Kodak says Kodachrome is back and easier then ever!

Look, the people who actually shot the stuff know better but aren't the market now. Yes, we know it's not the original K-14 process but if Kodak can get the look in E-6 they won't be able to keep it on the shelves.

Honesty? (I never worked in marketing though ...)

 

[Prest_400]

I vaguely asked, I don't expect a direct response as there was a lot of engagement in his post. If anything, it's an example of some mentioned personnel transfer from Alaris to EK.

Kodachrome... I'd bet Portra has a stronger brand identity nowadays than Kodachrome. Slide film is far from the popularity of C41 films, and the younger crowd aren't drooling over Ektachrome either, forget Kodachrome. Even I (age 30) are rare in my cohort on shooting some Slide film and I was drawn to it by KR and his love for Velvia at the time.

 

[pbromaghin]

Heck, For is selling a Mustang SUV and a Maverick pickup. So why not?

 

[Cholentpot]

I vaguely asked, I don't expect a direct response as there was a lot of engagement in his post. If anything, it's an example of some mentioned personnel transfer from Alaris to EK.

Kodachrome... I'd bet Portra has a stronger brand identity nowadays than Kodachrome. Slide film is far from the popularity of C41 films, and the younger crowd aren't drooling over Ektachrome either, forget Kodachrome. Even I (age 30) are rare in my cohort on shooting some Slide film and I was drawn to it by KR and his love for Velvia at the time.

Kodachrome has a national park named after it. Paul Simon wrote a #1 extremely popular hit song about it and everyone knows of the name. Outside of film photographers no one even heard of Portra. No one is singing 'Mama don't take my Portra 160VC away'

Kodachrome rolls off the tongue. It's as classic as saying Kodak Film. Not everyone drinks but everyone knows what a Budweiser is. Not everyone drives but everyone has heard of the Ford Mustang.

Heck, For is selling a Mustang SUV and a Maverick pickup. So why not?

Bingo.

Sometimes you gonna make a buck. With film these days your selling an idea more than a product.

 

[mshchem]

I want the brand back. I don't care if it's just warmed up rebranded Ektachrome. It'll sell like hot cakes. Sometimes you need marketing.

Absolutely agree! If Kodak isn't planning on resurrecting the Kodachrome brand they should. It would need to come with prepaid processing . Those were the days!

 

[NortheastPhotographic]

K-14 Kodachrome is never coming back unless some Chinese company goes hog wild. E100 actually isn't far off from the Kodachrome look, it just sadly doesn't last like the real thing did.

 

[Cholentpot]

Absolutely agree! If Kodak isn't planning on resurrecting the Kodachrome brand they should. It would need to come with prepaid processing . Those were the days!

Yes, I thought of that too. Bring back built in processing. And if Kodak is reading, it's high time to make a budget line of film like everyone else does. Have $3.99 rolls of cheap C-41, bulk rolls of color, cheap bulk b&w.

K-14 Kodachrome is never coming back unless some Chinese company goes hog wild. E100 actually isn't far off from the Kodachrome look, it just sadly doesn't last like the real thing did.

I specifically said that I think the main market of film shooters now doesn't care, as long as they grab the name. One of small re-rollers out there gives all their film wacky names. They realized that calling a film Wolfperson or Frankostein or Valentinies sells better than calling it Orwo UN74 Mk.2, you need to sell the idea.

 

[Prest_400]

Kodachrome rolls off the tongue. It's as classic as saying Kodak Film. Not everyone drinks but everyone knows what a Budweiser is. Not everyone drives but everyone has heard of the Ford Mustang.

I still think Kodachrome is sadly not that relevant anymore. It's 67 rather Ohio. Though as per your last post, just the APUG (pun intended) user base would noticed if E100 would be rebranded as Kodachrome E100.
As a fun fact in the Philippines, Kodak means picture/to take a picture. But it does sound old school, and used by the 40+.

Consider that Kodachrome peaked with Generation X. I loved trying it as a young millenial but the current culture doesn't echo with it IMO.

Hard to explain, but the film look that most folks are after is more akin to Kodacolor C41 snapshot.

Not Kodak, but I had an epiphany with a newcomer (ironically not young) who mentioned their lab would not develop Ilford's green box film, but yes the red film. I have been so long in this that there is of course people without the brand or name recognition at all. Also at a lab, a customer asked what difference was the 200, 400 and what the different names meant.

Now I am rambling but paraphrasing a brand owner that really likes these new Eastman Kodak products because it adds consistency to the design and brand.

K-14 Kodachrome is never coming back unless some Chinese company goes hog wild. E100 actually isn't far off from the Kodachrome look, it just sadly doesn't last like the real thing did.

And E100 (or even Provia) IMO sometimes renders similarly, even if it is by being a slide film.
Proven archivability not, but E100G and Provia 100F had some good test results about it.
That... If the negatives are not thrown out and just kept the scans!

 

[mshchem]

K-14 Kodachrome is never coming back unless some Chinese company goes hog wild. E100 actually isn't far off from the Kodachrome look, it just sadly doesn't last like the real thing did.

If Eastman Kodak was processing Ektachrome, like they did back in the good old days, the long term storage would be great. I've got a few Ektachrome slides from the 70's that EK processed that are in great shape. Kodachrome is amazing, weakness is fading in light.

 

[Cholentpot]

I still think Kodachrome is sadly not that relevant anymore. It's 67 rather Ohio. Though as per your last post, just the APUG (pun intended) user base would noticed if E100 would be rebranded as Kodachrome E100.
As a fun fact in the Philippines, Kodak means picture/to take a picture. But it does sound old school, and used by the 40+.

Consider that Kodachrome peaked with Generation X. I loved trying it as a young millenial but the current culture doesn't echo with it IMO.

Hard to explain, but the film look that most folks are after is more akin to Kodacolor C41 snapshot.

Not Kodak, but I had an epiphany with a newcomer (ironically not young) who mentioned their lab would not develop Ilford's green box film, but yes the red film. I have been so long in this that there is of course people without the brand or name recognition at all. Also at a lab, a customer asked what difference was the 200, 400 and what the different names meant.

Now I am rambling but paraphrasing a brand owner that really likes these new Eastman Kodak products because it adds consistency to the design and brand.


And E100 (or even Provia) IMO sometimes renders similarly, even if it is by being a slide film.
Proven archivability not, but E100G and Provia 100F had some good test results about it.
That... If the negatives are not thrown out and just kept the scans!

It's not relevant because it's not out there. Anyone getting into the hobby knows a few things. They know Kodak, Nikon, Leica and Kodachrome.