Kodak ‘Investigating What it Would Take’ to Bring Back Kodachrome

[Photo Engineer]

Your are an authority?

PE

 

[keenmaster486]

He's stating his personal experience.

Besides, it's not an unreasonable statement that frozen film will last a long time

 

[Photo Engineer]

Perhaps. As speed goes up, keeping goes down. As humidity goes up, keeping goes down. Etc.

No one outside of Kodak, Fuji, Ilford and etc are really experts at this. And, there is not much Kodachrome out there.

PE

 

[keenmaster486]

Well, I guess I'll find out to some extent presently, as I have refrigerated Kodachrome 64 from the 90's that I'm going to try shooting at rated ISO

 

[unsafeatanyspeed]

Kodak is fishing for sales, not inherently bad but it kind of sullies the announcement of Ektachrome.

 

[unsafeatanyspeed]

Well, I guess I'll find out to some extent presently, as I have refrigerated Kodachrome 64 from the 90's that I'm going to try shooting at rated ISO

And develop with what, exactly? As black and white, or bathtub colour?

 

[Nzoomed]

Perhaps. As speed goes up, keeping goes down. As humidity goes up, keeping goes down. Etc.

And, there is not much Kodachrome out there.

PE

On ebay, perhaps not, but in many freezers out ther, including myself, Steve Frizza, Piratelogy and Steve Mcurry - there is!

Please also understand, that people in my situation who missed out on Kodachrome would get some sort of closure if we are able to capture that moment on Kodachrome. Well thats how I feel anyway. If it returns or not, im not too bothered if I can shoot my rolls and process them.

The space shuttle film would be an excellent example to test the process and make comparisons between the original K-14 process and homebrew processing, since some of his films did make it to dwaynes.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...we may actually even get better results, more like that of the original Kodachrome!...

Still hankering for an "original" film, eh? The 1935 stuff? Like you're hoping for 1946 Ektachrome?

 

[Nzoomed]

Still hankering for an "original" film, eh? The 1935 stuff? Like you're hoping for 1946 Ektachrome?

I do actually prefer the look of the original kodachrome when looking at old family slides, not because its "better" but rather the colour palette.
The modern kodachrome is significantly different, as was kodachrome II compared to the original kodachrome.
I would never want the old Ektachrome and never said I would, especially with its cyan hues and poor image stability!

 

[kb3lms]

If Ferrania can make a film that has not probably been around for a few decades, it should be a walk in the park for Kodak to reintroduce older films!

Hang on a minute! FILM Ferrania made a b&w film using a decades old formula and it is lovely. But, I haven't seen an objective comparison of vintage P30 to this new stuff. I've made an emulsion according to the P30 formula once shown here on APUG and it is lovely, too, but I am definitely not saying that I recreated P30. I know FF says P30 is back. But, is it? If Kodak were to whip up a batch of, say, Verichrome Pan, would it really be VP? Who knows?

Not to diss the guys at FILM Ferrania. They have produced a beautiful film and I plan to buy my full discounted allotment of it plus more. This is great!

But, NZ, but this is like saying that just because a+b=c and x+y=z that c and z are then equal. Ain't necessarily so!

 

[kb3lms]

no but there are kits available for this

Not sure there are kits, but OK, well then try it. Let us all know what you think about it after that. Again, not to P on anyone, and only encouragement from me to anyone who wants to try, but IMHO K-14 is a PITA. I've done this in one color and say let it rest in peace. K-14 in full Kodachrome glory (and it was) is an industrial process.

But, I also know Pirateology has got something working and more power to him.

 

[1L6E6VHF]

He's stating his personal experience.

Besides, it's not an unreasonable statement that frozen film will last a long time

I second that emulsion.

My last Kodachrome was on a roll of Kodachrome 25 made circa 1999 and processed at Dwayne's in September of 2010.

It just so happens that I went to a convention that summer (involving radio hobbies). That year, it was in Rochester. The subject of the last slide is of the Kodak Tower.

Though one could site a very slight magenta shift (which may or may not have been due to the age of the film), I was quite satisfied indeed. There was no fogging at all.

If the film had been KL200, it would have been beset by cosmic ray fogging.

 

[Nzoomed]

Hang on a minute! FILM Ferrania made a b&w film using a decades old formula and it is lovely. But, I haven't seen an objective comparison of vintage P30 to this new stuff. I've made an emulsion according to the P30 formula once shown here on APUG and it is lovely, too, but I am definitely not saying that I recreated P30. I know FF says P30 is back. But, is it? If Kodak were to whip up a batch of, say, Verichrome Pan, would it really be VP? Who knows?

Not to diss the guys at FILM Ferrania. They have produced a beautiful film and I plan to buy my full discounted allotment of it plus more. This is great!

But, NZ, but this is like saying that just because a+b=c and x+y=z that c and z are then equal. Ain't necessarily so!

Look at it more like an evolution, Ektachrome is always Ektachrome, even though it has evolved over the years, not really any different is it?

The modern P30 will be similar, if not the same. It will still retain the main features as the original, but expect some differences.

 

[Photo Engineer]

NZoomed, you are not old enough to know!

PE

 

[Nzoomed]

NZoomed, you are not old enough to know!

PE

Your right, im only 32!

 

[Sal Santamaura]

Still hankering for an "original" film, eh? The 1935 stuff? Like you're hoping for 1946 Ektachrome?

I do actually prefer the look of the original kodachrome when looking at old family slides, not because its "better" but rather the colour palette.
The modern kodachrome is significantly different, as was kodachrome II compared to the original kodachrome...

Do you also prefer the poor image stability of 1935 - 1938 Kodachrome?

...I would never want the old Ektachrome and never said I would, especially with its cyan hues and poor image stability!

When did you change your mind? The database doesn't forget.

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[falotico]

Do you also prefer the poor image stability of 1935 - 1938 Kodachrome?When did you change your mind? The database doesn't forget.

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)​

The experts probably know for sure, but I believe that the poor stability of Kodachrome 1935-1938 was due to the way it was processed--not to the design of the film stock. During those years the individual color layers, yellow, magenta, cyan, were separately bleached and then redeveloped. First, all the layers were developed with a cyan coupler. Then the yellow and magenta layers were bleached and the silver grains re-oxidized to a developable form. Then the yellow and magenta layers were developed with a magenta coupler. Finally, the yellow layer was bleached and then developed with a yellow coupler. Next the silver was removed and the film rinsed.

All that bleaching probably made the dyes less stable and probably left some residual bleach in the emulsion which would harm image stability.

 

[Nzoomed]

Do you also prefer the poor image stability of 1935 - 1938 Kodachrome?When did you change your mind? The database doesn't forget.

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)​

Your talking alot of crap, nowhere did I say I preferred the original Ektachrome. I was referring to the last "original" (e100g) in that post, and when I was talking about the "original" kodachrome, I was meaning pre-1960s, e.g world war 2 era, 1950's etc.
Im my post, I was also referring to my family slides, these were all taken in the late 1950's - early 1960's, so obviously thats what I was referring to the "original" kodachrome.

Obviously i would not want the faulty version that was introduced in the early 30's.

I believe they actually fixed the issue much earlier than 1938 also.

 

[Sirius Glass]

All of this Kodachrome is coming back is just a big Kodak hoax to start up endless and meaningless threads on APUG and suck up APUG's bandwidth.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

Your talking alot of crap, nowhere did I say I preferred the original Ektachrome...

Ad hominem attacks demean only the attacker.

Yes, you did post that. I've spent time in New Zealand. Nothing observed or researched there provides any indication that "original" means something different to a Kiwi than it does to a Yank. Also, the contraction of "you are" is "you're," not "your," and "a lot" is two words in both countries.

...I was referring to the last "original" (e100g) in that post, and when I was talking about the "original" kodachrome, I was meaning pre-1960s, e.g world war 2 era, 1950's etc...

Precise communication avoids misinterpretation. Those descriptions (without "original") would have enabled understanding. "Original" didn't.

 

[Nzoomed]

Ad hominem attacks demean only the attacker.

Yes, you did post that. I've spent time in New Zealand. Nothing observed or researched there provides any indication that "original" means something different to a Kiwi than it does to a Yank. Also, the contraction of "you are" is "you're," not "your," and "a lot" is two words in both countries.

Precise communication avoids misinterpretation. Those descriptions (without "original") would have enabled understanding. "Original" didn't.

Ok, sorry, i find there are some differences in our language! I know PE hates the way we spell colour too lol

i.e i posted in a thread some time about photographing while "tramping" and got asked what the hell that meant! lol

 

[Photo Engineer]

Tramping over the mountains on a hardtack and a bean
While softies in the limousines proceed on gasoline.......

Or petrol!

PE

 

[Diapositivo]

i.e i posted in a thread some time about photographing while "tramping" and got asked what the hell that meant! lol

Must be an alternate spelling for trumping:
a) taking a card with a trump card;
b) uttering sentences such as "We'll have the Mexicans pay for that"

 

[Nzoomed]

rotfl!

 

[trendland]

Oh - a next Kodachrome threat - that's nice. Some may puke from this now - but they also have a choice : to avoid Kodachrome threads. ...
with regards