Kentmere 100 & 400 in 120 format

[Donald Qualls]

He has a peculiar accent.

I think he mentioned in one of his videos that a particular part of London is his old stomping ground, but he's lived on Wight for many years, so it wouldn't surprise me if his accent has gotten a little of that mixed in. I don't have any trouble understanding him, but I've been watching British TV programs for almost fifty years.

 

[pentaxuser]

@pentaxuser He has a peculiar accent. I find it quite difficult to understand him. Is this some sort of Thames Estuary area (Essex? Kent?) twang or am I completely off track?

No, not a million miles off track. He is originally from the East End of London so broadly speaking the accent is "Cockney" but as far as I can observe he doesn't use Cockney slang so what he says seems to be properly pronounced to me and spoken at a normal speed. It is not what is termed in recent years "Estuary English" which tends to be a generational thing as in spoken in slang which I too have problems with as I did with the "jive" spoken by the African Americans in "Airplane"


pentaxuser

 

[Arcadia4]

That's not how it works and it's quite well-documented by statements from Harman and/or Ilford as well as the observable technical differences between products.
Also, when something goes wrong in film or paper manufacturing, the result in virtually all cases isn't some kind of lower-grade product with subtly inferior qualities to the intended product, but very apparent defects and major problems that render the product entirely unmarketable. Once in a blue moon, some of these batches make it out into the world; e.g. there was a small batch of Ilford film with a longitudinal coating defect that slipped through QA - there's no chance Harman would have gotten away with selling it as Kentmere, as it was simply very clearly a defective product. Just as an illustration that "oh, this batch didn't come out entirely right, just stick a different label onto it" is a practice that only seems sensible if you ignore the realities of film and paper production.

Absolutely kentmere film is a distinct product with its own QC stds with different processing times etc. (Historically kentmere was a paper brand, but ilford repositioned it as a film/paper brand originally for the us student market).

The ilford pan 100/400 intended for selected markets are essentially fp4/hp5 made to a price point with a lower qc standard. (As confirmed by harman in the past). Modern Manufacture is about meeting specs with low wastage for a specific volume of product so is likely coated to that lower spec in specific runs, rather than relying on occasional offspec material of the standard product.

 

[Henning Serger]

That's not how it works and it's quite well-documented by statements from Harman and/or Ilford as well as the observable technical differences between products.
Also, when something goes wrong in film or paper manufacturing, the result in virtually all cases isn't some kind of lower-grade product with subtly inferior qualities to the intended product, but very apparent defects and major problems that render the product entirely unmarketable. Once in a blue moon, some of these batches make it out into the world; e.g. there was a small batch of Ilford film with a longitudinal coating defect that slipped through QA - there's no chance Harman would have gotten away with selling it as Kentmere, as it was simply very clearly a defective product. Just as an illustration that "oh, this batch didn't come out entirely right, just stick a different label onto it" is a practice that only seems sensible if you ignore the realities of film and paper production.

That is completely correct concerning modern film production.

Those people who say that both Kentmere films are just FP4+ and HP5+ batches that could not pass the Ilford QC standards of FP4+ and HP5+ have no knowledge at all about film production, because
1. Both Kentmere films are very popular high(er) volume products (also because the Kentmere films are produced for several rebranding / repackaging companies in addition, as we all know from our film comparison tests). And you simply cannot feed such high(er) volume line only by "material failed in QC"!
If production quality in Mobberley would be so bad with so much material "failed in QC" that you could feed / sustain two lines of films for the Kentmere brand - an in addition all the volume for several other rebranding companies as well - then Harman technology / Ilford Photo would have gone bankrupt many years ago.
No film manufacturer would survive having such a high level of production runs under the needed quality level.

Well, I have visited the factory in Mobberley some years ago, with the amazing and much missed Simon Galley as our tour guide. And I can ensure you that the production there is running at extremely high quality standards.

2. Kentemere 100 and 400 are so significantly different in their characteristics that it is impossible that they are just "lower quality / missed QC standard" batches of FP4+ and HP5+.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[Tom Kershaw]

Well, I have visited the factory in Mobberley some years ago, with the amazing and much missed Simon Galley as our tour guide. And I can ensure you that the production there is running at extremely high quality standards.

I went on a tour of the factory in 2007, and still remember the day well. Simon was an excellent tour guide.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I've exposed two rolls of the Kentmere 100 (120 roll) and I'm finding it an excellent general purpose film. Hardly surprising, as its an Ilford product.
Sample image, made with my 1939 Kodak Special Six-20 (6x9) Film was exposed at 50 ASA and developed in home brewed D-76 1:1 for 11.5 minutes.
View attachment 324016

Very nice!

 

[Roger Cole]

I think he mentioned in one of his videos that a particular part of London is his old stomping ground, but he's lived on Wight for many years, so it wouldn't surprise me if his accent has gotten a little of that mixed in. I don't have any trouble understanding him, but I've been watching British TV programs for almost fifty years.

I could understand him fine if he'd just SLOW DOWN. I can understand him if I slow down the video playback speed, but of course that makes it actually sound even more odd.

But I'm from the southern US and lived here all my life. A majority of the people on YouTube talk too fast for me.

 

[Donald Qualls]

A majority of the people on YouTube talk too fast for me.

Maybe a little maintenance dose of Adderall? But seriously, I'm well aware I get accents a lot better than most folks. Takes a pretty hairy one, or a strong one combined with dialectic vocabulary, to throw me off. Say, a Highlander speaking in full Scottish slang, I'll have to rewind and listen twice or three times, but otherwise, if they're actually speaking English, I'll probably catch it.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I could understand him fine if he'd just SLOW DOWN. I can understand him if I slow down the video playback speed, but of course that makes it actually sound even more odd.

But I'm from the southern US and lived here all my life. A majority of the people on YouTube talk too fast for me.

I hope I don't talk too fast! And as a Canadian, I'm very careful with my Eh usage

 

[JParker]

Great news having the Kentmere films now in 120 as well !!
I love Delta 100 in 35mm and 120, but having a cheaper film as an addition for certain projects when perfect quality is not necessary.......well, that is good .
Especially as I have had some QC issues with Foma 120 in the past.

 

[removedacct1]

Very nice!

Thanks, Andy!

 

[Roger Cole]

Maybe a little maintenance dose of Adderall? But seriously, I'm well aware I get accents a lot better than most folks. Takes a pretty hairy one, or a strong one combined with dialectic vocabulary, to throw me off. Say, a Highlander speaking in full Scottish slang, I'll have to rewind and listen twice or three times, but otherwise, if they're actually speaking English, I'll probably catch it.

Nah, I've just lived all my life in the south where everyone, almost, speaks more slowly. Interestingly enough, many in my family are frequently asking ME to slow down. OTOH many of my friends who are sort of "fellow nerds and geeks" don't have a problem with speeds that I do and don't think things I complain about are too fast at all.

The ability to slow down YouTube videos has been very useful though.

 

[mtnbkr]

The ability to slow down YouTube videos has been very useful though.

Heh. I typically run them at 1.5x because I don't have time to sit through a long video. I've lived all my life in the South too, but my current QTH ( ) is NoVA,which hardly counts as "the South".

Chris

 

[Sirius Glass]

Heh. I typically run them at 1.5x because I don't have time to sit through a long video. I've lived all my life in the South too, but my current QTH ( ) is NoVA,which hardly counts as "the South".

Chris

People in northern Virginia complain about how slowly the traffic moves, but it is their own fault. What else could they expect if they call the area NoVA? [For not Spanish speakers: in Spanish "nova" does not mean "star", it means that "{it} does not move".]

 

[Roger Cole]

Heh. I typically run them at 1.5x because I don't have time to sit through a long video. I've lived all my life in the South too, but my current QTH ( ) is NoVA,which hardly counts as "the South".

Chris

That's what the preview as you move the slider on the bottom is for.

Some people I can understand fine, but a number I have to slow down. I've yet to encounter one I think I COULD understand if I played it at 1.5x, at least not all of it. I'm sure I'd catch some.

 

[henryyjjames]

this might already have been addressed, but are the development times the same for 120 kentmere films as their 35mm counterparts? if not, then I assume the technical data sheet for them that was last updated in 2019 is still accurate?

 

[koraks]

are the development times the same for 120 kentmere films as their 35mm counterparts?

There's no reason why they would be very different. There are sometimes marginal differences between film formats, but with the exception of a handful of films (e.g. Tri-X which is apparently a slightly different emulsion in sheet film vs. smaller formats) I'm skeptical of the significance of such differences.
Long story short, you can't really go wrong with the same time for 120 as for 35mm.

 

[MattKing]

this might already have been addressed, but are the development times the same for 120 kentmere films as their 35mm counterparts? if not, then I assume the technical data sheet for them that was last updated in 2019 is still accurate?

They are probably the same. I would have expected Harman to advise if it was different.
In case @Harman Tech Service are seeing this, perhaps they might comment.
At one time, Kodak used to list different times for 120 and 135 for some of their films, but that hasn't been the situation for a long time.
And in case you think that you are the only one who worries about things like this, see this link to one of the first threads I started on APUG, more than 17 years ago!
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...35mm-for-both-35mm-and-120.12838/#post-178255

 

[pentaxuser]

So, is there a way to slow down speech on a YouTube video that only slows it down rather than change the sound to something that means the cure is worse than disease?

pentaxuser

 

[GregY]

Andrew O'Neill,...... Kentmere 120 is now in stock in
Canada. Picked up some 100 at the Camera Store in Calgary today.... look forward to trying it out

 

[Dusty Negative]

Whelp....while I am duly excited about Kentmere now being available in 120, I have not seen much of it actually, well, available, at least here in my corner of the US. B&H? Not yet available. Adorama? Not available. Freestyle? Nein. Photo Warehouse? Nope. Amazon? Nyet. Ilfordfoto.com? No 400 available, and 100 now only available in single rolls (I ordered a pack of five just about one week ago), and they charge an arm and a leg for shipping. Anyone in the mid-Atlantic willing to share their secret?

 

[removedacct1]

Whelp....while I am duly excited about Kentmere now being available in 120, I have not seen much of it actually, well, available, at least here in my corner of the US. B&H? Not yet available. Adorama? Not available. Freestyle? Nein. Photo Warehouse? Nope. Amazon? Nyet. Ilfordfoto.com? No 400 available, and 100 now only available in single rolls (I ordered a pack of five just about one week ago), and they charge an arm and a leg for shipping. Anyone in the mid-Atlantic willing to share their secret?

Get it here: Film Photography Project store.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Andrew O'Neill,...... Kentmere 120 is now in stock in
Canada. Picked up some 100 at the Camera Store in Calgary today.... look forward to trying it out

Thanks! Local store is bringing a bunch in for me! I'm also going to start purchasing bulk 35mm rolls of the 400 for my students. So much cheaper than HP5.

 

[warden]

Whelp....while I am duly excited about Kentmere now being available in 120, I have not seen much of it actually, well, available, at least here in my corner of the US. B&H? Not yet available. Adorama? Not available. Freestyle? Nein. Photo Warehouse? Nope. Amazon? Nyet. Ilfordfoto.com? No 400 available, and 100 now only available in single rolls (I ordered a pack of five just about one week ago), and they charge an arm and a leg for shipping. Anyone in the mid-Atlantic willing to share their secret?

yeah I had to place an order with B&H today for other stuff and wanted to add a few rolls of 120 Kentmere for grins but no dice. Got some FP4 instead.

 

[Dusty Negative]

Get it here: Film Photography Project store.

OK. Thank you for the tip.