Kentmere 100 & 400 in 120 format

[NB23]

Rolleicords... Love those sweet little sexy things.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

well the Canadian distributor has THIS page; https://www.ilfordphoto.ca/product/kentmere-120-roll-pan-400/

and gives their SKU as KM6014826 and I would guess that if you drop the KM, that is Ilfords Cat Number.

they aos show a UPC of UPC: 019498014819

perhaps those will help. they show Estimate Delivery Time is Dec 7, 2022

Thanks Charles!

 

[Sirius Glass]

I’ll say RB67 before Sirius Glass says Hasselblad.

Hasselblad, posted second but still the first camera system and the most complete camera systems with parts and service still available.

 

[pentaxuser]

The presenter of videos called ShootLikeABoss has already received his free rolls from Ilford and has used both the 100 and 400

We had a number of posts about its "lack" of or lesser of its anti-halation compared to the like of the other 100 and 400 Ilford film and for those who are curious about how this might translate into actual prints his video shows what may be a fair representation of this effect. One is a portrait of his daughter and the others the white hull of a boat in full sunshine

Anyway for what it is worth here's the video



Incidentally I found out where Kentmere comes or more accurately where a commentator has vaguely remembered reading somewhere about its origins It is offcuts from Ilford film batches that became offcuts because on checking its own Ilford films for the correct tolerances they were of a lower tolerance and so get converted to Kentmere

Time I checked again whether UV rays or bleach is still an effective remedy for COVID 19

pentaxuser

 

[cmacd123]

Incidentally I found out where Kentmere comes or more accurately where a commentator has vaguely remembered reading somewhere about its origins It is offcuts from Ilford film batches that became offcuts because on checking its own Ilford films for the correct tolerances they were of a lower tolerance and so get converted to Kentmere

Kentmere is made specially, as a price leader film. when it came out Simon Gally metioned that it was made to fill a market. I am not 100% clear as whether it repleced the Ilford Pan 100 and Pan 400 in their line. those where only sold in places where the price was important. The completion they are aiming for is undoubtedly Arista.edu Ultra.

 

[pentaxuser]

Kentmere is made specially, as a price leader film. when it came out Simon Gally metioned that it was made to fill a market. I am not 100% clear as whether it repleced the Ilford Pan 100 and Pan 400 in their line. those where only sold in places where the price was important. The completion they are aiming for is undoubtedly Arista.edu Ultra.

Yes that sounds right but I fear you may have missed that my British sense of humour was at work here. It was the "offcuts" explanation that I felt was of possible interest and amusement.

pentaxuser

 

[Melvin J Bramley]

these cameras you speak of at reasonable prices.. how usable are they? Its one to say a good condition ready to use 645 at a reasonable price versus a damaged one that needs critical repair being sold at a reasonable price.

my mamiya 645 will only last so long, that electronic shutter without a battery can only do 1/60th of a second. Using 400 iso film thats not a critical problem.

How usable.. This is a sample.

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[Melvin J Bramley]

Yes that sounds right but I fear you may have missed that my British sense of humour was at work here. It was the "offcuts" explanation that I felt was of possible interest and amusement.

pentaxuser

Without proof of the off cuts theory it's nothing but something Alex Jones has said!
Over thirty years ago I tried Kentmere papers even having some shipped from the UK to Canada.
Yes , they had some budget products and some innovative/quirky coloured ! black and white papers, but their premium line of printing papers competed with the best Ilford and Kodak offered.

 

[MattKing]

Kentmere from 30 years ago is an entirely different product.
Harman bought Kentmere, then were forced to close down down the Kentmere factory due to environmental concerns and equipment that was too worn to modernize. They then moved production of almost all the remaining Kentmere product line to the same machinery used to make Ilford branded products.
The Kentmere branded product is designed by Harman to be saleable at a budget conscious price point - particularly for the educational market.

 

[ags2mikon]

Does Alex Jones have a photography site?

 

[redbandit]

Kentmere from 30 years ago is an entirely different product.
Harman bought Kentmere, then were forced to close down down the Kentmere factory due to environmental concerns and equipment that was too worn to modernize. They then moved production of almost all the remaining Kentmere product line to the same machinery used to make Ilford branded products.
The Kentmere branded product is designed by Harman to be saleable at a budget conscious price point - particularly for the educational market.

why do i have a feeling Ilford is doing what Eley does,, if a lot doesnt completely meet a specific standard it becomes a new line of Kentmere film or paper?

 

[Melvin J Bramley]

Does Alex Jones have a photography site?

It's called 'Fake Negatives'...

 

[ags2mikon]

Oh. So he is into digital. I'll pass.

 

[koraks]

why do i have a feeling Ilford is doing what Eley does,, if a lot doesnt completely meet a specific standard it becomes a new line of Kentmere film or paper?

That's not how it works and it's quite well-documented by statements from Harman and/or Ilford as well as the observable technical differences between products.
Also, when something goes wrong in film or paper manufacturing, the result in virtually all cases isn't some kind of lower-grade product with subtly inferior qualities to the intended product, but very apparent defects and major problems that render the product entirely unmarketable. Once in a blue moon, some of these batches make it out into the world; e.g. there was a small batch of Ilford film with a longitudinal coating defect that slipped through QA - there's no chance Harman would have gotten away with selling it as Kentmere, as it was simply very clearly a defective product. Just as an illustration that "oh, this batch didn't come out entirely right, just stick a different label onto it" is a practice that only seems sensible if you ignore the realities of film and paper production.

 

[BMbikerider]

The presenter of videos called ShootLikeABoss has already received his free rolls from Ilford and has used both the 100 and 400

We had a number of posts about its "lack" of or lesser of its anti-halation compared to the like of the other 100 and 400 Ilford film and for those who are curious about how this might translate into actual prints his video shows what may be a fair representation of this effect. One is a portrait of his daughter and the others the white hull of a boat in full sunshine

Anyway for what it is worth here's the video



Incidentally I found out where Kentmere comes or more accurately where a commentator has vaguely remembered reading somewhere about its origins It is offcuts from Ilford film batches that became offcuts because on checking its own Ilford films for the correct tolerances they were of a lower tolerance and so get converted to Kentmere

Time I checked again whether UV rays or bleach is still an effective remedy for COVID 19

pentaxuser

For heavens sake don't start another conspiracy theory. {mod edit}

 

[redbandit]

That's not how it works and it's quite well-documented by statements from Harman and/or Ilford as well as the observable technical differences between products.
Also, when something goes wrong in film or paper manufacturing, the result in virtually all cases isn't some kind of lower-grade product with subtly inferior qualities to the intended product, but very apparent defects and major problems that render the product entirely unmarketable. Once in a blue moon, some of these batches make it out into the world; e.g. there was a small batch of Ilford film with a longitudinal coating defect that slipped through QA - there's no chance Harman would have gotten away with selling it as Kentmere, as it was simply very clearly a defective product. Just as an illustration that "oh, this batch didn't come out entirely right, just stick a different label onto it" is a practice that only seems sensible if you ignore the realities of film and paper production.

Lol,,, to bad the current production of Kodak chemicals felt that way

 

[pentaxuser]

{mod edit}

Maybe I am just getting old but I am convinced that as little as 10 years ago my mention of the offcuts theory comment would have met with comical repartee made in a similar vein by fellow Photrio members about the nonsensical nature of this "throwaway" baseless comment

{mod edit}

 

[koraks]

Lol,,, to bad the current production of Kodak chemicals felt that way

Chemicals generally don't feel much of anything. Other than that, your remark is unspecific and unsubstantiated, and therefore moot.

 

[BMbikerider]

Chemicals generally don't feel much of anything. Other than that, your remark is unspecific and unsubstantiated, and therefore moot.

Perhaps the word 'production' was meant to be 'producers'. See post 91 above.

 

[koraks]

Perhaps the word 'production' was meant to be 'producers'. See post 91 above.

Yes, possibly. Although I'd venture to say that the other half of my argument would still stand...

 

[abruzzi]

I just noticed on B&H that Kentmere is now available in 120--and pretty cheap--$5.80. 100 is in stock, 400 is still waiting.

Kentmere Pan 100 Black & White Negative Film (120 Roll Film)

Buy Kentmere Pan 100 Black & White Negative Film (120 Roll Film) featuring 120 Medium Format B&W Negative Film, ISO 100/21° in Standard Process, Fine Grain and High Sharpness, Broad Tonal Range, Wide Exposure Latitude. Review Kentmere Pan 100

www.bhphotovideo.com

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1731274-REG/kentmere_6014826_pan_400_black_and.html

 

[Roger Cole]

EDITED: I wasn't aware of previous threads that I missed when I saw this.

That's in the price range of Arista branded Foma without the QC issues (I don't know if Kentmere has the awful reciprocity failure characteristics of Foma so...maybe an improvement there too.)
I'm not sure that I'll use it though I may try it out to see if there are any applications where I might prefer it to other films. Now if they'd offer a film with good QC in sheets at Arista/Foma prices, THAT would get my attention.

 

[MattKing]

Threads combined.

 

[albireo]

The presenter of videos called ShootLikeABoss has already received his free rolls from Ilford and has used both the 100 and 400

We had a number of posts about its "lack" of or lesser of its anti-halation compared to the like of the other 100 and 400 Ilford film and for those who are curious about how this might translate into actual prints his video shows what may be a fair representation of this effect. One is a portrait of his daughter and the others the white hull of a boat in full sunshine

Anyway for what it is worth here's the video

@pentaxuser He has a peculiar accent. I find it quite difficult to understand him. Is this some sort of Thames Estuary area (Essex? Kent?) twang or am I completely off track?

 

[ags2mikon]

I like his videos too but I have a very hard time understanding him. I have to use closed caption. But that could be my fault because English isn't my first language. My first language is Texlish.