Just Cancelled Photoshop

[Auer]

I think Adobe's security department is at odds with sales. They run security attacks on Saturday hoping everyone has cooled out by Monday.

You make it sound like this is a common problem. To my knowledge, it is not.

 

[Pieter12]

Car rental companies charge more if you drive the car further. That is the case even if you rent the car for the same length of time as the renter who drove it less.
It isn't so much that it makes sense to charge according to the class of user.
Rather, it makes sense to have as many people as possible renting your product. The rent that people are willing and happy to pay will be strongly influenced by how much they are using the product, and whether they are using the product to make money themselves.
It is a balancing act - to maximize profit, Adobe needs to charge a rent that is high enough to make them money, but low enough so as to ensure enough people rent the software and pay them that money.
So they need to pick the right pricing model to make that work.
For the use I get, something like $40 per year would make sense.

Most car rentals have unlimited mileage.

And it seems that Adobe has picked the pricing model that makes sense for them.

 

[Down Under]

... I checked the Nikon site and they have NX Studio for free.

The way to go. Too much overthinking in this thread.

NX Studio and yes, the free and basic Faststone do everything I want to do with many features left unused/unneeded.

Even dpreview likes NX Studio, and when they like something, well!!

Why complicate things? And why pay for stuff when you can get 90% as good for free?

Inverse capitalism...

 

[wiltw]

Most "seniors" make more money than I do. My father likes to whine about how he only gets like $2000 a month in social security, but he omits the fact that he has no expenses. His house is paid off, his cars are paid off, his kids are grown, and he has half a million dollars in the bank. Cry me a f--king river.

Good luck in YOUR retirement, when no one offers you a senior discount!

If you father owns a home, he has to insure it and insure any car he owns, and pay property taxes...the latter goes up and consumes increases in Social Security, as do increasing health insurance expenses as he ages.

 

[Adrian Bacon]

You make it sound like this is a common problem. To my knowledge, it is not.

I still don’t know what the OP means by security attacks. This has never happened to me and I use Adobe products every day. I also often use them when I don’t even have an internet connection and they still work just fine, and this is with the latest versions. I suspect the OP has something weird going on with their computer that isn’t Adobe related.

 

[chriscrawfordphoto]

Good luck in YOUR retirement, when no one offers you a senior discount!

If you father owns a home, he has to insure it and insure any car he owns, and pay property taxes...the latter goes up and consumes increases in Social Security, as do increasing health insurance expenses as he ages.

My parents are wealthy. A few years ago, they bought me a $50,000 Cadillac because my mother was in an emotional tizzy about the Ford I drove. It was starting to rust a little, and she was afraid that people would think that I (and by extension, her) was 'trailer trash.' Every time I visited them, she'd bitch about my car and demand that I go buy a new one. I couldn't afford to do that; I was a single father putting my son (his mother chose not to be in his life) through college after suffering a stroke at 37 that forced me to stop working as a high school teacher. I made enough from my photography to get by, but barely. Finally my father shows up at my door one morning and tells me he is buying me a new car because my mother won't stop hounding HIM about MY car. I suggested that he stand up to his wife, which he didn't have the backbone to do. So, I told him that since they were afraid of people thinking our family was whitetrash, only a Cadillac CTS would do. He bought one for me. He paid cash for it.

Anyone that wastes money like that deserves no sympathy from me or anyone else.

 

[Luckless]

Buying goods and consummables is not the same as paying software license fees perpetually...if you use less consummables, you pay less. You buy camera and lenses ONCE, and then if you never buy a new camera or lens you never pay again. But software licensing today from Adobe is to pay a fee in perpetuity; once you stop paying the software stops allowing ull functionaty...it cripples itself. Even if I shoot ONE photo a year, it cannot be used, unless I pay the full fee. And when I shoot ONE photo and use the software, I pay the same amount as a working photographer/graphic artist earning $75k-$100k (or more) Is that fair and just?!

It is simple enough for a fee per use...how many files Imported/Exported. How many Slide shows created. Low use pays less. Just like renting cars! And analogous to shooting film and paying for processing at a lab, or paying to buy chemicals and paper to do it yourself.

I've not paid a dime to Adobe in nearly a year now. I paid about $20 or $30 one month awhile back when I needed the software, after having not used or paid for it in over a year.

So in two years I've gotten all I needed out of the full feature versions of the very latest editions of Adobe software for less than I spend going out to dinner with my girlfriend.

And when I have time to dedicate to digital photography again and want to use their software more? Well I'll pay a little every month and have the very latest software once again. At this rate I would have to be using software that would be several decades old by the time I got the cost per image/project down to the same level the cloud allows me to.


Adobe doesn't lock you in 'forever' - It just bills you a reasonable rate for the calendar months you actually want to use their software for.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

This thread is hilarious. Four pages and we still don't know what a security attack is.

 

[nmp]

It is always on weekends when customer service is off. I launched pshop and suddenly have to log in. Password keepers and pasting wont work you have to enter everything manually. Then you wait for the servers to respond and wait and wait and enter button comes up again and you hit it and wait meanwhile your photo enthusiasm goes down the toilet. Wasted 2 hours.

I don't know what you are talking about. I have been using PS CC since they introduced it, I never had to sign in my account to use it. Only if you need to update the software. All you need is get the PS software on your computer to communicate to their server once a month, automatically. Sometimes when I travel, I may not have internet for a few weeks and it still works as long as it makes a connection once a month.

Now you let your subscription lapse, it is an another matter.

 

[guangong]

I get along just fine with my copy of CS6. For me, the so called upgrades are tinkerings that add more useless stuff. From comments made regarding alternatives to PS, all bells and whistles of PS not really needed.
As for alternative to PS, which ones can save JP images to TIFF? I need to install on new computer.

 

[nmp]

This thread is hilarious. Four pages and we still don't know what a security attack is.

looks to me more like a troll attack.

 

[Mal Paso]

I don't know what you are talking about. I have been using PS CC since they introduced it, I never had to sign in my account to use it. Only if you need to update the software. All you need is get the PS software on your computer to communicate to their server once a month, automatically. Sometimes when I travel, I may not have internet for a few weeks and it still works as long as it makes a connection once a month.

Now you let your subscription lapse, it is an another matter.

How do you do get an automatic connection?

So far the log in has Only Occurred when I launched the program on Saturday.

As for the Troll comment, wait until it happens to you.

You get an idea, launch photoshop and spend 2 hours trying to get into a program YOU PAID FOR.

 

[warden]

I get along just fine with my copy of CS6. For me, the so called upgrades are tinkerings that add more useless stuff. From comments made regarding alternatives to PS, all bells and whistles of PS not really needed.
As for alternative to PS, which ones can save JP images to TIFF? I need to install on new computer.

Now I'm curious, do you honestly think that in the past nine years since your CS6 that no features have been added that could be useful to photographers?

 

[nmp]

How do you do get an automatic connection?

So far the log in has Only Occurred when I launched the program on Saturday.

As for the Troll comment, wait until it happens to you.

You get an idea, launch photoshop and spend 2 hours trying to get into a program YOU PAID FOR.

Are you saying you sign in every time you open CC?

 

[Mal Paso]

Are you saying you sign in every time you open CC?

No sign in in recent memory except the 3 that occurred on Saturdays, each one progressively more difficult. I finally got in last night.

I keep all my equipment ready to go. If photoshop isn't ready to work when I am then it's History.

 

[Mal Paso]

I have had photoshop since version 3. I spent $1000 for enough memory to run it. I have PAID FOR EVERY VERSION. Adobe doesn't remember or care.

 

[Wallendo]

I have had issues signing in with an old PC laptop. On that computer, the Creative Cloud app was frequently crashing and becoming corrupted. This did cause problems logging in, especially with Lightroom. This may be an issue with the OP's problem.

I reinstalled Creative Cloud many times, and even tried the well-hidden (almost impossible to find on their website) Adobe techniques to completely remove the app before reinstalling. I eventually gave up and now just run the web version of Lightroom. Both PhotoShop and Lightroom use the Creative Cloud application to verify subscription status.

I suspect the OP is having similar issues. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution, since I simply gave up. Uninstalling and reinstalling Creative Cloud might be worth a try.

 

[nmp]

No sign in in recent memory except the 3 that occurred on Saturdays, each one progressively more difficult. I finally got in last night.

I keep all my equipment ready to go. If photoshop isn't ready to work when I am then it's History.

OK...I take back the troll comment. Too many times someone will make an incendiary comment just to get people all riled up.

If you are using your CC regularly, at least once a month with the internet connected, you should not have to sign in. As a matter of fact I have yet to be asked to do so on any of my 2 machines for far since CC started. I have changed the start-up option on my Creative Cloud app so it does not open by itself when I turn the computer on. So it is not running on background. I don't like apps to drain the computer resources when they are not doing anything useful. I only open it and sign in if there is an upgrade I am thinking of checking out. Otherwise, in a normal course of thing, if I need to open an image to work on, which is all the time, I open Bridge and then ACR/Photoshop and no sign-in request ever comes on. By "automatically" what I mean is when you do open a CC app, the software talks to the Adobe mother ship and makes sure your subscription is current. This needs to be done once a month for monthly subscriptions and every three months for the annual ones. At other times, no internet connection is even required. There is no involvement of the customer. If it is asking you to do some kind of sign-in frequently, there is a problem on your end, may be something OS related.

If you really need to use PS for you work, you can try and solve the problem once and for all rather than reacting and canceling the subscription.

 

[Adrian Bacon]

I suspect the OP is having similar issues. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution, since I simply gave up.

sounds like a possible solution is to not run the latest and greatest on old hardware. The OP said he spent 1000 dollars on memory so he could run it. ??!?! Pretty much every computer made in the last 3-4 years except maybe the most absolute budget systems should have no problem running photoshop or Lightroom. Some systems might be a little light on ram, but boosting ram to the 8+ GB range doesn’t cost $1K

 

[Mainecoonmaniac]

The real truth is you really don't own photoshop. You just rent it, ie a subscription to use it. They used to sell what's called a "perpetual license" which means you own it. When you have a subscription, your computer has to check into the Adobe mothership once in a while to see if you have the right to use it. If your paid up and the license server is down, you don't get to use it. You gotta pay the Adobe Mafia every month or else no Adobe products for you!

 

[MattKing]

I'm wondering whether his/her satellite based internet access behaves well with the Adobe authentication protocols.

 

[wiltw]

Now I'm curious, do you honestly think that in the past nine years since your CS6 that no features have been added that could be useful to photographers?

I am in a similar situation with Lightroom...I have not purchased any update to my LR after v6.1
It is not that there are no changes, there are no changes that I NEED or WANT to get!

• New cameras are supported post v.6.1, but I have purchased none of those new models, and I do not find myself in need for one of those new models.
• New editing features have been added, but I do not find I ever am saying to myself, "I really need this new editing feature".

I purchased a Lighroom v6.1 license to use via one-time license fee, and I have the software on DVD. If and when I decide to buy a new model camera, or there is some new desperately-needed editing feature, at that point I will wrestle with the decision about how to deal with the need and the new monthly cost to Infinty. The problem with the software rental model is that if I ever stopped paying the monthly fee, some key function of LR stops working...even for past photos taken years earlier, unless I Export everything before end of subscription, and never want to modify the image for a different rendition.

In 2002 when my wife gave me my first digital camera, I began to use RAWShooter in the days before Adobe bought that software to create Lightroom. Unlike photographers who adopted Lightroom or Photoshop after the monthly-fee mode was launched at software was download-onlyl, at least I can load any of the earlier versions of LR that I still have DVD for...LR1, LR2, LR3, LR5, LR6; so I am not truly blown out of the water by stopping monthly fees, unlike later photographers who have download-only installations in their history.
(I do wonder if Adobe has removed the license activation capability at their end, preventing installation of an old version of software loaded from DVD?! )

 

[warden]

I am in a similar situation with Lightroom...I have not purchased any update to my LR after v6.1
It is not that there are no changes, there are no changes that I NEED or WANT to get!

• New cameras are supported post v.6.1, but I have purchased none of those new models, and I do not find myself in need for one of those new models.
• New editing features have been added, but I do not find I ever am saying to myself, "I really need this new editing feature".

I purchased a Lighroom v6.1 license to use via one-time license fee, and I have the software on DVD. If and when I decide to buy a new model camera, or there is some new desperately-needed editing feature, at that point I will wrestle with the decision about how to deal with the need and the new monthly cost to Infinty. The problem with the software rental model is that if I ever stopped paying the monthly fee, some key function of LR stops working...even for past photos taken years earlier, unless I Export everything before end of subscription, and never want to modify the image for a different rendition.

In 2002 when my wife gave me my first digital camera, I began to use RAWShooter in the days before Adobe bought that software to create Lightroom. Unlike photographers who adopted Lightroom or Photoshop after the monthly-fee mode was launched at software was download-onlyl, at least I can load any of the earlier versions of LR that I still have DVD for...LR1, LR2, LR3, LR5, LR6; so I am not truly blown out of the water by stopping monthly fees, unlike later photographers who have download-only installations in their history.
(I do wonder if Adobe has removed the license activation capability at their end, preventing installation of an old version of software loaded from DVD?! )

I get what you're saying of course - not everyone needs the latest software and many are quite well served with freeware or legacy software which I think is great, allowing anyone with a computer to do their work. But to refer to "so called upgrades", tinkering and "useless features" is just silly. They are not so called upgrades, they are upgrades in fact. A lot has changed since CS6, just as a lot has changed in cameras and computers since 2012 when CS6 was new.

 

[Adrian Bacon]

I get what you're saying of course - not everyone needs the latest software and many are quite well served with freeware or legacy software which I think is great, allowing anyone with a computer to do their work. But to refer to "so called upgrades", tinkering and "useless features" is just silly. They are not so called upgrades, they are upgrades in fact. A lot has changed since CS6, just as a lot has changed in cameras and computers since 2012 when CS6 was new.

Yep. Now, more than ever, updates to LR and PS reflect what users are requesting. Adobe wants you to keep paying them, so they add features and functionality that paying customers actually want so they keep paying them. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[wiltw]

I get what you're saying of course - not everyone needs the latest software and many are quite well served with freeware or legacy software which I think is great, allowing anyone with a computer to do their work. But to refer to "so called upgrades", tinkering and "useless features" is just silly. They are not so called upgrades, they are upgrades in fact. A lot has changed since CS6, just as a lot has changed in cameras and computers since 2012 when CS6 was new.

But I think guangong stated it sufficiently, that for his purpose the new things did not matter, so they were not upgrades that mattereed to him,

"for me, the so called upgrades are tinkerings that add more useless stuff. From comments made regarding alternatives to PS, all bells and whistles of PS not really needed."​

For him and for me, the new features don't really matter, the new features are not of use to either of us, 'useless' to us. That is no judgement that the feature is of no benefit to others.
Neither he nor I are indicating your opinion is 'not right'...your opinion is simply different from ours.