Just Cancelled Photoshop

[Adrian Bacon]

Some software is used and not rented where no money is exchanged (OSS/FS)

often times you still pay though. And you pay with something far more valuable, your time.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

Adobe is very good at cyber, the very best cyber I've ever seen.

 

[Pieter12]

Should amateurs pay less for their photo equipment than pros? Should art suppiers charge more for paint and brushes if the artists don't sell their works? Maybe if you'd rather not pay the going rate for retouching software you should get some retouching dyes and an airbrush? C'mon, the logic is flawed.

 

[MattKing]

Should amateurs pay less for their photo equipment than pros? Should art suppiers charge more for paint and brushes if the artists don't sell their works? Maybe if you'd rather not pay the going rate for retouching software you should get some retouching dyes and an airbrush? C'mon, the logic is flawed.

Car rental companies charge more if you drive the car further. That is the case even if you rent the car for the same length of time as the renter who drove it less.
It isn't so much that it makes sense to charge according to the class of user.
Rather, it makes sense to have as many people as possible renting your product. The rent that people are willing and happy to pay will be strongly influenced by how much they are using the product, and whether they are using the product to make money themselves.
It is a balancing act - to maximize profit, Adobe needs to charge a rent that is high enough to make them money, but low enough so as to ensure enough people rent the software and pay them that money.
So they need to pick the right pricing model to make that work.
For the use I get, something like $40 per year would make sense.

 

[wiltw]

Should amateurs pay less for their photo equipment than pros? Should art suppiers charge more for paint and brushes if the artists don't sell their works? Maybe if you'd rather not pay the going rate for retouching software you should get some retouching dyes and an airbrush? C'mon, the logic is flawed.

Buying goods and consummables is not the same as paying software license fees perpetually...if you use less consummables, you pay less. You buy camera and lenses ONCE, and then if you never buy a new camera or lens you never pay again. But software licensing today from Adobe is to pay a fee in perpetuity; once you stop paying the software stops allowing ull functionaty...it cripples itself. Even if I shoot ONE photo a year, it cannot be used, unless I pay the full fee. And when I shoot ONE photo and use the software, I pay the same amount as a working photographer/graphic artist earning $75k-$100k (or more) Is that fair and just?!

It is simple enough for a fee per use...how many files Imported/Exported. How many Slide shows created. Low use pays less. Just like renting cars! And analogous to shooting film and paying for processing at a lab, or paying to buy chemicals and paper to do it yourself.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

.0000001 cents per pixel

 

[wiltw]

.0000001 cents per pixel

so price...20MPixel photo = $2 for an exported JPG
until you realize a '36exp roll' costs $72 in digital software use fee!
Add another zero to right of decimal and double that, that is more reasonable $14 per 36 exp.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

so price...20MPixel photo = $2 for an exported JPG
until you realize a 36exp roll costs $72 in digital! Add another zero to right of decimal and that is more reasonable.

I'm only shooting on a D1H... maybe factor in inflation.

 

[wiltw]

I'm only shooting on a D1H... maybe factor in inflation.

No need to factor inflation. Compare it to sending 36exp film out for processing and getting scans returned today...$10 at Mpix. Or depending upon film type, $12-18 at a lab in San Francisco.
Regardless of your workflow (digital, analog, hybrid) the cost is about 'the same'.

 

[Pieter12]

It seems you all have a better idea of how Adobe should run their business.what fools they are not to take heed and be so much more successful! Fairness doesn't factor in capitalism.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

It seems you all have a better idea of how Adobe should run their business.what fools they are not to take heed and be so much more successful! Fairness doesn't factor in capitalism.

Ah shante!

"France is likely to become a Disneyland for foreigners, populated by imbeciles making wine and stinky cheese for tourists. There is no more freedom, people are being manipulated." - Gerard Depardieu

How does this happen? I don't have a clue.

 

[grat]

Affinity is half off right now for $24.99. With updates.

I'm a long time user of Linux, but Gimp's interface has been junk since day one, and in spite of numerous attempts to improve it, I still hate trying to do anything complex in it. Even basics like the application being scattered across several windows, is irritating-- and I *like* the multi-document interface that's fallen out of favor.

I run Darktable for organization and inversion, and Affinity for editing. Sadly, Affinity doesn't work well with Linux (well-- at all), but that's one of the reasons I still have a Windows box.

BTW, Sirius... If you're running Openoffice, you should take a look at Libre Office. I find it slightly more friendly.

 

[chriscrawfordphoto]

If a retiree get $1800 per month in income, why not recognize the limited income and take a proportional fraction of income?! No different than fastfood places or grocery stores that offer a senior discount. Seniors get lower rates on Mass Transit systems, too.

If seniors generate NO income from photography, why not make the working pro pay a larger amount, since they make money from the use of Photoshop/Lightroom?!

Most "seniors" make more money than I do. My father likes to whine about how he only gets like $2000 a month in social security, but he omits the fact that he has no expenses. His house is paid off, his cars are paid off, his kids are grown, and he has half a million dollars in the bank. Cry me a f--king river.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

Je suis le pew¡

 

[juan]

Capture One. Made for photography. Subscribe, or buy when you want.

 

[removed account4]

OP, sorry to hear of your troubles ..
I've been using PS for years without a problem ( now CC but since the 90s ), never had problems I can imagine it would be frustrating
I have have heard of people who recently had trouble with their set ups ( not just CC but their hardware ) after recent OS + updates, sounds/sounded like a nightmare!
best of luck with your situation !
john

 

[warden]

Car rental companies charge more if you drive the car further. That is the case even if you rent the car for the same length of time as the renter who drove it less.

You are devaluing their rapidly depreciating asset the more you drive it. Of course you pay more. Cars are not software.

It is a balancing act - to maximize profit, Adobe needs to charge a rent that is high enough to make them money, but low enough so as to ensure enough people rent the software and pay them that money.

That is what they are doing now.

Remember when Adobe went to the subscription model and everyone went nuts and stopped using their software, and they had to apologize and reduce the subscription price repeatedly before they found the Goldilocks price and customers would finally come back? Me neither. ;-) There are more people using Adobe software now than ever before.

 

[Auer]

Most "seniors" make more money than I do. My father likes to whine about how he only gets like $2000 a month in social security, but he omits the fact that he has no expenses. His house is paid off, his cars are paid off, his kids are grown, and he has half a million dollars in the bank. Cry me a f--king river.

Amen.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

I'm on LT 4.4 and Photoshop essential about same vintage. But I'm old school. I prefer to take exposure correctly and don't like heavy processed photos.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

If your time is worth nothing, switch to Linux and Gimp.

I laugh at people bitchin about Adobe while using Microsoft Windows.

There are a million reasons why a piece of software can give a user issues.
Old hardware (yes a computer older than 3 years is old) running the same windows installation it came with loaded with spy and bloatware.

I could go on, but it's not ALWAYS the software makers fault.

I laugh at those who can't install free firewall, antivirus software. Wait, Linux has no firewall and antivirus? Because due to very few users no interest from hackers.

Sure, if you are geek, then Linux is your thing. Or if your grandma needs nothing but browser and you have old PC for it.
But I never seen professional editors and graphic artists using Linux since its first days and now. For some odd reasons they tend to stick with overpriced and limited by software, drivers Macs. Maybe they are all IT illiterate, but Apple just works for them.

 

[Auer]

I laugh at those who can't install free firewall, antivirus software. Wait, Linux has no firewall and antivirus? Because due to very few users no interest from hackers.

Sure, if you are geek, then Linux is your thing. Or if your grandma needs nothing but browser and you have old PC for it.
But I never seen professional editors and graphic artists using Linux since its first days and now. For some odd reasons they tend to stick with overpriced and limited by software, drivers Macs. Maybe they are all IT illiterate, but Apple just works for them.

I used a lot of Mac's, and my wife still does. Most people use them as they really tend to be, trouble free.(And some ppl still get some kinda superiority kick outta that shit too I spose. Mostly old ppl.)

I switched to PC's when Apple went Intel (xcept for a few notebooks after that) and there is of course no difference in the end user experience for PS or LR.
These days I just build my own Desktop every 3 years or so and get pro workstation performance for under 2k.

I still have a SE30. I sometimes use it to write poetry on, for kicks.

 

[warden]

I used a lot of Mac's, and my wife still does. Most people use them as they really tend to be, trouble free.(And some ppl still get some kinda superiority kick outta that shit too I spose. Mostly old ppl.)

I switched to PC's when Apple went Intel (xcept for a few notebooks after that) and there is of course no difference in the end user experience for PS or LR.
These days I just build my own Desktop every 3 years or so and get pro workstation performance for under 2k.

I still have a SE30. I sometimes use it to write poetry on, for kicks.

OT: I remember the painful days when I had to run windows and mac at the same time on different computers because some software was unavailable on my preferred platform. What a pain in the ass. I'm happy that those issues were resolved, at least for me, and now I can use just one operating system with all the software I need.

 

[Mal Paso]

I am on Hughes Satellite and although the bandwidth isn't great email came in a couple times while I was trying to log in.

I am willing to pay $10 a month but the program has to work When I Need It. THERE SHOULD BE NO EXTRA LABOR REQUIRED. Adobe locks the screen so I can't get to the passwords easily. I made a complex password that I used to copy and paste, you can't paste anymore so I have the password taped below the monitor now. Great Security HUH. All that and the server won't log me in after repeated tries.

Adobe sent an email to contact them. I am thinking I have spent enough time on hold.

I have a D810 so I checked the Nikon site and they have NX Studio for free. I have been taking notes on all your suggestions as well. DXO looks interesting and I'll download their trial later. Other than cropping and resizing I use Curves the most. I loaded the old Nikon NX and can print to my P800 printer so I am good for now.

Thank You For Your Help!

 

[Mal Paso]

I think Adobe's security department is at odds with sales. They run security attacks on Saturday hoping everyone has cooled out by Monday.

Nikon has the money. If Photoshop hinders their market they could write their own program. Maybe in 10 years photoshop will be the free program included with cameras.

 

[Wallendo]

I process mostly B&W images. Since I primarily only use one of the three color channels, I should only pay $3.33 a month.

I pay for unlimited internet at home, unlimited call time with my cell provider, and a single price for my cable TV. Why should I not be able to access PhotoShop as often as I want to?

There are many photo editing programs out there that people can buy cheaply. If PhotoShop is not a good deal for you, save your money and buy one of the competitors.