Early Riser is correct when he uses the word "might" - many people find it easier and get better results shooting 6x6 TLRs or rangefinders when using the camera handheld.
I never realized that a 6x6 Hasselblad was a lousy camera and that no photographer professional or amateur has ever been able to hold the camera stable. What load of horse manure did you dig up that little gem from???
Same w/ 6x9. I've got three different negative carriers for my 3 different folders. Although lately I've been using a glass carrier that crops a bit around the edges of all of them. I love my old folders, but I suspect a high quality 6x6 or 6x7 non-folding camera might do better due to holding the lens more rigidly parallel to the film. BTW you can print 6x9 with a Beseler 23 just fine, so it's not all that specialized an enlarger!There actually is a difference in negative sizes in different brands of 6x6 camera's. A Hasselblad will only produce negatives of 5,5 x 5,5cm, while a Rollei will illuminate a area of 5,8 x 5,8 cm. Other brands may vary too.
No need to shout. Our ears are all right. And no need to get excited. Nobody intends to hurt your darling hassy.I never realized...horse manure...
More resolution than 4,5 x 6 has been the subject of many within the past.Good morning everyone, as it rains here in Chicago I'm wrestling with a question of medium format film sizing - namely, do people have an opinion about the appreciable difference in photo "crispness" and resolution going from 6x6 -> 6x7 or 6x9?
I currently have used a 6x45, and found it not quite the resolution I was hoping for, so went to a 6x6 TLR, which while quirky I enjoy (except the difficulty focusing on the ground glass in low light with a F3.5) - so I'm thinking of heading into a 6x7 SLR, like the RB, or a rangefinder like the Fuji GW690 (not similar cameras at all).
I know the size differences for sure, but am looking for input from the forum about what appreciable difference you've had experience with using 6x7, or if the difference is not worth the switch, and I should jump to 6x9.
Thanks in advance!
-Rick
Where did I say Hasselblads were a lousy camera? Why have you so overreacted to what I said?
I've used Hasselblads on and off for 40 years. I currently own and use very extensive systems of Hasselblad, Rolleiflex 6008i and AF, Mamiya 7II, Fujica GL690, Fuji GX680III, and Fotoman 612. I also owned a Fuji GX617II system. I currently own more than 70 lenses. As I need to make large prints, prints measured in feet not inches, I need to be able to get as much resolution out of a camera system as possible. Therefore I test my cameras and lenses very critically. Recent tests include Hassy 80mm planar v Rollei 80mm Schneider PQS v 80mm Rollei xenotar AF. Hassy zeiss 100mm w 1.4XE v Rollei 150mm Schneider v mamiya 150mm v Fujica 150mm. Hassy 180mm sonnar w 1.4 XE v 250mm Sonnar v rollei 300mm APO Schneider. I literally use a microscope to test resolution. These tests are comprised of shooting the same distance scene and test targets side by side.
What I have learned is that an MF SLR hand held creates sufficient vibration to lower the resolution versus a hand held TLR or Rangefinder and that if you want to optimize the resolution of a Hasselblad or a Rolleiflex 6008i you need to have them on a tripod and use mirror lock up.
Wow, great post.
The swedish thing, at least in the original 500C version, is infamous for a brute mirror slap. I would have expected the Rolleiflex 6008i to fare better!!
I personaly was no friend of such kind of workflow because : " 4,5 x 6 is the resulting format again "
So you might see a real advance in negative format and resolution with 6x7.
Art directors loved this format over many many years.
4 x 5 inch is near the double of 6 x 9 but it is a little expensive in comparison.
The disadvantige of 6 x 9 are the old lenses.
More resolution than 4,5 x 6 has been the subject of many within the past.
If they changed to 6x6 they were confronted with a special 6x6 philosophy of some : Your decision on portrait or landscape is coming when the shot is done (comming later).
I personaly was no friend of such kind of workflow because : " 4,5 x 6 is the resulting format again "
So you might see a real advance in negative format and resolution with 6x7.
Art directors loved this format over many many years.
4 x 5 inch is near the double of 6 x 9 but it is a little expensive in comparison.
The disadvantige of 6 x 9 are the old lenses.
You might love the special (older) technology of that lenses comming from the 20th - 50th because of a nice characteristic.
But in concern of resolution they mostly are real "oldfashiones" (I have shot against the sun with 6x9 lenses (uncoated) there is no resolution of 6 x 9 remaining (caused from optical issues ).
It is more like pocket110.
At last the resolution can just as high as the sum of all parametern.
As there are f-stop, speed and type of films, quality of lenses, tripot, and wheather conditions (lighting,dust a.s.o.)
This all may concern the resolution more than the advantage of higher formats - so a Hasselbladt with modern lens on 6x6 (reduced to 4,5 x 6) can result much more resolution in comparison to 6x9 with open f 7,7 (lens - uncoated out of the year 1929).
But to answer your question :Best resolution with midt format is definitivly with format 6 x 8 (a real nice format) with Fuji GX680 and highest (and expensive ) quality lenses (all lenses of that systems from my point are like Hasselbladt Zeiss quality).
With low speed films and ( of course ) best tripot.
with regards
Good morning everyone, as it rains here in Chicago I'm wrestling with a question of medium format film sizing - namely, do people have an opinion about the appreciable difference in photo "crispness" and resolution going from 6x6 -> 6x7 or 6x9?
I currently have used a 6x45, and found it not quite the resolution I was hoping for, so went to a 6x6 TLR, which while quirky I enjoy (except the difficulty focusing on the ground glass in low light with a F3.5) - so I'm thinking of heading into a 6x7 SLR, like the RB, or a rangefinder like the Fuji GW690 (not similar cameras at all).
I know the size differences for sure, but am looking for input from the forum about what appreciable difference you've had experience with using 6x7, or if the difference is not worth the switch, and I should jump to 6x9.
Thanks in advance!
-Rick
Hello Rick. I see that you are a glamour and portrait photographer. If you decide on 6x7 then I'd recommend the RZ or RB because of the revolving backs. They are so quick and easy to use on a tripod. If you plan on using the camera handheld then I highly recommend buying a Mamiya "L" grip. Both of these cameras are heavy so the "L" grip makes the cameras so much easier to shoot hand held.
I've owned the RZ but not the RB. I prefer the RZ because when you advance the film you also cock the shutter so it's a little quicker when shooting people. On the RB you cock the shutter with a lever like the RZ but then you have to wind the film separately. The RZ is also a little lighter in weight. Of course the RZ is also battery dependent where the RB is not. Read up on both cameras before you buy one.
Resolution and clarity are inherent strengths of the medium format base measurements such as 6x 'xxxx'. I settled on 6x7 and happily and easily crop to 6x6 from this as circumstances occasionally present.
The 6x7 format has for a very long time been referred to as the ideal format, with 6x6 often described as perfect, particularly in the portrait/fashion genre.
Obviously the larger format allows a lot of flexibility while the smaller one does not and not everything will be appropriate for just one format.
Thanks Ian - the issues you mentioned about the 6 x 9 format is nearly the same what I felt about.Dan Fromm mentions comparing 645 Ektachromes to 6x9 but that's a visual comparison where the size helps, a comparison of prints would be less conclusive, obviously a slight improvement but less of a difference compared to 35mm to 645 or 6x6.
My experience knowing a few art directors who worked with friends is they were happy with 645, 6x6 or 6x7 where LF wasn't practical, Two friends were to advertising photographers and one shot 6x6 the other 6x7.
I don't no why the disadvantage of 6x9 is old lenses, there were plenty of good Multi-coated lenses from many manufacturers all very capable lenses, I'm talking about Rodenstock, Schneider, Nikon, Fuji etc, and even earlier coated lenses are excellent performers.
While I don't have a 6x9 camera with inter-changeable lenses I could very easily modify my home-made 6x7 camera to take one and I use lenses that I also use for 5x4 so image circle/coverage isn't an issue, nor is resolution/sharpness or contrast/ I used the camera with a very late US 203mm f7.7 Ektar in a Compur #1 18 months ago in Canada and the results on Delta 100 are excellent in terms of sharpness/resolution. Are they better than those made on my Mamiya 645 yes but these days I only use the Mamiya hand held (when working with models) the 6x7 camera was on a tripod. Compared to when I shot the 645 on a tripod with AP100/APX100 or Tmax 100 it#s much less of a difference.
I may well look for a Graflex 6x9 back and modify the camera, I do like the format and regardless what format I shoot I compose to it.
Ian
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