If Fuji discontinue all E6 we will see New Ektachrome in 120, 4x5, 8x10 ?

[trendland]

Source?

 

[dutchsteammachine]

We all know its going to happen, but the way you worded you reply, made me think you got recent official news on the discontinuation of Provia 100F.

I guess you do not, however. Your announcements are a joke as always.

 

[trendland]

We all know its going to happen, but the way you worded you reply, made me think you got recent official news on the discontinuation of Provia 100F.

I guess you do not, however. Your announcements are a joke as always.

AS allways....? ! That's a joke - yes?
Listen dutchsteammachine if you like this film then order it! It is avaible ! It is not discontinued
at this time - guess we will see further increasement at the end of this year - possible additional
30% ! But Provia 100F is out of production at this time!

So Fuji is selling the rest of last production run and dicided against new production run!
So it is the end for Provia ! I have not to repeat this sentence !!

Because :

with "Trendlands very special condolences" !!!

 

[dutchsteammachine]

That may be true, but in order to be taken serious you ought to provide a source for your claim that Fuji is selling the last batch ever.

 

[trendland]

That may be true, but in order to be taken serious you ought to provide a source for your claim that Fuji is selling the last batch ever.

Fuji operate from unlogical concerns in case of discontinuations! The intention is like to operate
with radioactive stuff = away with it soon as possible!
You may watch the net for pricing the next weeks! I am sure it will be sold till end of the year!
But then you will see next massive increasement (the usual 30% of Fuji)!
If you will suddenly (beginning 2020) identify a pricing explosion (be sure dealers are informed about last delivery and higher pricing of Provia 100F then) you can watch the net and wait some days and T H E N you have your official statement from serious source (Fuji official discontinuation) but THEN you can buy last Provia 100F at 24,95 a roll and may you may notice
to same month moderate increasement from EK!

IT IS MORE THAN A SIMPLE GUESS THAT FUJI STOPPED PRODUCTION !

So belive it or belive it not dutchstreammachine! BTW - where is the RISC to count on that here
stated? Do you realy speculate you may buy ProviaF100 for some next years? Or do you count
on Fuji will serve the market (if there is demand for there films?)!
Of course there is a demand - but Fuji don't cares about!

This here - we regard these days - is Fujis "final sale"! But Fuji is not bankrupt - it is the opposite!

with regards

PS : There is no "handbook" for live! !
But you may wait for official sources - call Fuji and they can say : " look at our side - it is not
planned to discontinue! " Till the day (next morning = discontinued)!

 

[1kgcoffee]

Trendland,
I agree completely.

First they discontinued sheets. Now, a 30% increase in price. We have only to read the writing on the wall.

It may not happen this year but they have already quietly discontinued 160ns. There is no supply outside of Japan. You can still buy provia sheets outside of Japan, but not 160ns and that has been out of production for years.

Itll make the Acros discontinuation look like a joke.

 

[trendland]

Trendland,
I agree completely.

First they discontinued sheets. Now, a 30% increase in price. We have only to read the writing on the wall.

Yes - from the background what happened since Y E A R S it should be more than allowed to
make own thoughts! It is a real need of course!
If the first officer of the Titanic would state :" Titanic is sinking " - then Titanic is sinking of course?
No friends - if the lifeboads are down : Titanic is sinking ! Also it would be stated :
THIS IS JUST AN EXERCISE ?

with regards

PS : Sheeds are discontinued AND 3 packs of ProviaF100 are discontinued!

PPS : The time Agfa Precisa CT 100 ran off - there was a hope for Provia (the last hope)!

At this time there is no need to weak up Titanics Captain (he is drunk btw.!)

So folks ceep your place in liveboats and fill your freezer!

 

[Lachlan Young]

PS : Sheeds are discontinued

Oh really. Show us the discontinuance notice then. Bet you won't & can't. Velvia 100F was discontinued.

 

[GRHazelton]

That is not totally wrong you metioned.....sorry for that kind of formulation 1 kgcoffe..!
But now seriously : that you metioned is indeed an issue I also had such idea of.
Why more than 6x6 with E6 Films ? Sure for protection but how?
There are 6x7 projectors. The only thing I personally own are some 6x7 frames. 39,- bucks for just 10 pices in a box. Wow it is with anti newton glass - fine at 3,90 per mounts....
(I just payed 7 bucks because it was a special prince)
After that I just need USD 4900,- for a projectors in good used condition wich is manualy.
Or USD 8000,- for a New one with automatic function? Perhaps shoud I first make sure to get some hundred 6x7 frames for my first kilo i'd to pay?

My workflow with 6x7 is to cut some best 6x7 slides (from I had some double) and mount it 6x6..?

How to proceed with 8x10 seriously? The main reason is of course to have a LOOK at (or let us say:
to feel "this are mine and I will have a LOOK on it to everytime I want"
Enlargements could be also done from c41 Films (with exeption of some special intention where E6 get a preference)
To most (exclusive lucky guys who own an enlarger 8x10) it ends with contact prints.
The quality from technical concerns is indeed a class of its own - the royality class!
What is remaining ? The Problem from positive process at the paper side today!

Bad at last it is that different from hold it in your own hands - and that is beginning with 4x5 slides.
(It is just not the same feeling and from other visual character with c41 negatives)

with regards

I feel your pain regarding mounts. I shoot 6 x 6, 6 x 4.5, 127, and 35. 127 will project in any 35mm projector, but the film is hardly available My Komaflex S needs work, I can't justify the expense given the film and mount problem. 120 film is out there, I have a Kindermann 6 x 6 projector, but mounts are expensive and getting rare. The Kindermann is pretty primitive compared to the run of the mill Carousel. Grrrrr..... Due to the rise of digital I can afford gear I only dreamed of when it was new, but film, etc, is getting hard to find.

 

[AgX]

127 will project in any 35mm projector,

Superslides, at least over here, are a thing of the past since decades. And with many of the westgerman-made projectors one has to exchange condensors for that format, if they yield that chance at all as with the more modern models the 40x40 slides are not even mentioned any longer.

 

[GRHazelton]

Superslides, at least over here, are a thing of the past since decades. And with many of the westgerman-made projectors one has to exchange condensors for that format, if they yield that chance at all as with the more modern models the 40x40 slides are not even mentioned any longer.

Interesting. I had no problem in the past, although the Komaflex hasn't been usable for many years.

 

[chris77]

Trendland,
I agree completely.

How careless...

 

[Henning Serger]

First they discontinued sheets. Now, a 30% increase in price. We have only to read the writing on the wall.

Sheet film is not discontinued. Neither is Provia 100F.
Provia 100F is available in all formats: 135, 120, 4x5" and 8x10".
Velvia 100 is availabe in all formats: 135, 120, 4x5" and 8x10".
Velvia 50 is available in 135 and 120 worldwide, and additionally in 4x5" in Japan. But some companies outside Japan import it. E.g. Intrepid for Europe.

Last Photokina (biggest and most important photo film fair worldwide) Fujifilm made an official and very clear statement to both their big customers / retail partners and the public that they will continue standard film production (non-instax film types) for the long term. They recently renewed that commitment at WPPI in Las Vegas.
See the attached official document from the Photokina.
At photokina Fujifilm had one of the biggest photo booths of all companies. And almost 50% of all that huge space was dedicated to their silver-halide products: Instax and standard films, RA-4 photo paper (they even introduced another highest-quality paper: Maxima), RA-4 minilab machines, instax cameras. No other film or paper manufacturer had such a dedicated presentation of silver-halide products as Fujifilm.
I've talked intensively to the Fujifilm Germany managers: They explained that they have seen a huge demand increase in 2018 in Germany: So much that they had to significantly increase their forecasts for 2019.
By the way: Fujifilm is by far the biggest photo film manufacturer in the world: Their instax film production alone is much bigger than the whole photo film production of Kodak, Ilford, Foma, Adox, Polaroid etc. together. Fuji makes about 1.5 billion $ revenue p.a. with their silver-halide products. That is more than 3x more than all other photo film and paper manufacturers together. They are running three factories alone worldwide for silver-halide RA-4 photo paper.

Concerning the recent price increase: They simply do what is necessary to remain profitable. Look at Eastman Kodak: They made about 19 million $ loss last year with their film production. Kodak will have to increase prices to improve their problematic profitability. It is not the question whether they will increase prices, but when and how much. In the past Kodak has often increased more than Fujifilm. And the other manufacturers will increase prices in the future, too. Because the current price level is just too low to be sustainable in the long run. Lots of films are today still cheaper - inflation included - compared to 25-30 years ago.
I highly recommend the presentation of ADOX CEO Mirko Böddecker concerning that topic: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...-in-agx-manufacturing-in-todays-world.166246/

Best regards,
Henning

 

[chris77]

Sheet film is not discontinued. Neither is Provia 100F.
Provia 100F is available in all formats: 135, 120, 4x5" and 8x10".
Velvia 100 is availabe in all formats: 135, 120, 4x5" and 8x10".
Velvia 50 is available in 135 and 120 worldwide, and additionally in 4x5" in Japan. But some companies outside Japan import it. E.g. Intrepid for Europe.

Last Photokina (biggest and most important photo film fair worldwide) Fujifilm made an official and very clear statement to both their big customers / retail partners and the public that they will continue standard film production (non-instax film types) for the long term. They recently renewed that commitment at WPPI in Las Vegas.
See the attached official document from the Photokina.
At photokina Fujifilm had one of the biggest photo booths of all companies. And almost 50% of all that huge space was dedicated to their silver-halide products: Instax and standard films, RA-4 photo paper (they even introduced another highest-quality paper: Maxima), RA-4 minilab machines, instax cameras. No other film or paper manufacturer had such a dedicated presentation of silver-halide products as Fujifilm.
I've talked intensively to the Fujifilm Germany managers: They explained that they have seen a huge demand increase in 2018 in Germany: So much that they had to significantly increase their forecasts for 2019.
By the way: Fujifilm is by far the biggest photo film manufacturer in the world: Their instax film production alone is much bigger than the whole photo film production of Kodak, Ilford, Foma, Adox, Polaroid etc. together. Fuji makes about 1.5 billion $ revenue p.a. with their silver-halide products. That is more than 3x more than all other photo film and paper manufacturers together. They are running three factories alone worldwide for silver-halide RA-4 photo paper.

Concerning the recent price increase: They simply do what is necessary to remain profitable. Look at Eastman Kodak: They made about 19 million $ loss last year with their film production. Kodak will have to increase prices to improve their problematic profitability. It is not the question whether they will increase prices, but when and how much. In the past Kodak has often increased more than Fujifilm. And the other manufacturers will increase prices in the future, too. Because the current price level is just too low to be sustainable in the long run. Lots of films are today still cheaper - inflation included - compared to 25-30 years ago.
I highly recommend the presentation of ADOX CEO Mirko Böddecker concerning that topic: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...-in-agx-manufacturing-in-todays-world.166246/

Best regards,
Henning

chapeau !
et merci.

 

[trendland]

Oh really. Show us the discontinuance notice then. Bet you won't & can't. Velvia 100F was discontinued.

I die not state "sheeds" in regards of Provia - I did state sheeds in generaly concerns!

with regards

PS : You well know the long list of discontinued sheeds beginning with Velvia 50 in 8x10!

 

[trendland]

""did "not state !

 

[trendland]

[QUOTE="Henning Serger, post: 2174538, member: 15210"Fujifilm made an official and very clear statement to both their big customers / retail partners and the public that they will continue standard film production!
Henning[/QUOTE]
Sorry Henning - but I don't think so.....

with regards

PS : The Japaneese are becoming crazy from price increasements and paralel whimper about
their cost from film manufacturing - look at EK costs and pricing with E100 - and that is not about
Yen and USD!

 

[chris77]

[QUOTE="Henning Serger, post: 2174538, member: 15210"Fujifilm made an official and very clear statement to both their big customers / retail partners and the public that they will continue standard film production!
Henning

Sorry Henning - but I don't think so.....

with regards

PS : The Japaneese are becoming crazy from price increasements and paralel whimper about
their cost from film manufacturing - look at EK costs and pricing with E100 - and that is not about
Yen and USD![/QUOTE]
i am sorry trendland.have you read the post?
and if so, did you understand what you read?

finally some real information, not just your beliefs and assumptions.

 

[chris77]

a colleague of yours, trendland?

 

[trendland]

I feel your pain regarding mounts. I shoot 6 x 6, 6 x 4.5, 127, and 35. 127 will project in any 35mm projector, but the film is hardly available My Komaflex S needs work, I can't justify the expense given the film and mount problem. 120 film is out there, I have a Kindermann 6 x 6 projector, but mounts are expensive and getting rare. The Kindermann is pretty primitive compared to the run of the mill Carousel. Grrrrr..... Due to the rise of digital I can afford gear I only dreamed of when it was new, but film, etc, is getting hard to find.

GRHazelton - I am not quite sure if this method shown on YouTube will work real propperly!
www.youtube.com/watch?=v-o-HLR-k_qOE




.....but there are some additional film cutters avaible!
I guess it would cause light leaks onto the 120 film basis if you would operate without this tool :

But everything seams to be possible with your Komaflex S

with regards

 

[trendland]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-HLR-k_qOE

Hope link is OK now !

 

[faberryman]

If Fuji discontinue all E6 we will see New Ektachrome in 120, 4x5, 8x10?

Nobody has any idea what Kodak would do. End of discussion.

 

[trendland]

Nobody has any idea what Kodak would do. End of discussion.

That's not quite correct faberyman....!

What we know is : Kodak is bringing out E100 in 120 format AND in 4x5 format !
What Kodak possible will do is : support the market with E100 in 8x10!

What Kodak of course also will do is to increase pricing of all E100 films moderately!
Because there is no need to higher pricing about + 30% !
We also know that an increasement of + 30% AND + 20% within a period of around 12 - 14 month
definitivley will destruct a remaining demand!
And we realy know that Fuji operate these buisiness decisions and follows with discontinuations!
They did it within the past - they do it today - they will proceed with that in future!

I would not give 10cent of an anouncement of Fuji (if it would come) that pricing for todays
(expensive) Fuji E6 will be stabile after last 30% increasement!

But what we know is that Kodak hold stabile pricing for E100 for a while! (without 30% increasement)!

Where is the reason for that? In short : They want to sell films!

with regards

PS : Fuji want the oposite = they want to discontinue films!

 

[trendland]

a colleague of yours, trendland?

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That looks like Macfred - but he is a fellow of yours !

with regards

PS : A suggestion from Trendland : would we both like to have a short look on the complete remaining Fuji Film portfolio (including c41 films) with actuel pricing in the first quarter 2020?

PPS : There is no need to ask a magic glass ball ! Just a short look on the big summary of
anouncements Fuji made the last couple of years(allmost distinguations and further discontinuations followed from discontinuations and massive increasement of 30%,20%,25%,30% is enough to know : The list of E6 films and formats will be very short with exclusive pricing then!
What follows that most people who want to shot Fuji E6 will say : "Without me!"

That is also no simple guess - it is reality today and it happend in the past!

REMEMBER : In 2008 Fuji discontinued Velvia50 - a mass of photographers worldwide protest
against decision of Fuji! Short after that Fuji anounced there are sources of alternate raws wich
allowes Fuji to relaunch Velvia50 with 100% same characteristics! Indeed there was no visible
diference between old and new Velvia50 (from different raws...)

What a stupit bullshit Fuji stated! In reality Fuji relaunched Velvia50 because a fear has driven
Fujifilm! The lost of sympathy from so many photographers!

Is there a todays same fear Fuji would drive to increase film prices moderately?

There is a lost of respect to tell : We are forced to increase pricing so much because of much lower scales?

Aha - much lower scales for Fuji E6 films - I unterstand (from lower demand - I see)!!

The same "lower demand" wich allowes EK to relaunch Ektachrome!

 

[chris77]

you have convinced me.


so.....







lets get ready !!