Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[Brady Eklund]

I've tended to avoid these Rollei films and other apparently "repacked" or "rebadged" offerings, having read of various issues, and, I suppose, a feeling that possibly they may be of lower quality or poorer QC. Having looked around online, there are, however, some examples of very good quality being produced, e.g.
http://erickimphotography.com/blog/...base-cn200-color-film-for-street-photography/ (I've no connection with that site, just a random link from a Google search.)
Might be time for me to try them out, particularly if there is a faster slide version.

I don't think these are rebadged or repacked, unless there's some film made by one of the big guys on a synthetic base, but I've never heard of one. I think the digibase line was coated in Belgium at the old Gevaert(bought by Agfa) factory. I could be wrong. As for the new film I couldn't tell you, but I do think I have some old Kodak 320 slide film in the freezer.

 

[Berri]

mcaodirect replied to my question and they say it is a brand new emulsion and it is totally different from cr200

 

[Berri]

in europe both agfa begium and inovis coat are capable of making new film materials...

 

[Nzoomed]

I've tended to avoid these Rollei films and other apparently "repacked" or "rebadged" offerings, having read of various issues, and, I suppose, a feeling that possibly they may be of lower quality or poorer QC. Having looked around online, there are, however, some examples of very good quality being produced, e.g.
http://erickimphotography.com/blog/...base-cn200-color-film-for-street-photography/ (I've no connection with that site, just a random link from a Google search.)
Might be time for me to try them out, particularly if there is a faster slide version.

Ive shot CN200 and CR200 with ZERO faults, no yellowing or nothing.
Appears there was a bad batch incorrectly stored.
Wittner-cinetec guranteed their stock free of yellowing and i have to agree.

 

[railwayman3]

mcaodirect replied to my question and they say it is a brand new emulsion and it is totally different from cr200

Interesting...it would be useful to have a faster slide film when needed. If it proves to be a brand-new emulsion, it would seem that one-or-other factory has the R&D and equipment to make new film at an economic price, rather then repacking older products, or those like aerial film which might not be the best for general work (not a criticism of anyone).

 

[Nzoomed]

The datasheets for CN200 went into a lot of detail about cross-processing in E6 and the results were color shifted, but not that dramatically, so it seems to me the goal was to develop a film that yield similar color in both C-41 and E-6 chemistry. The consolidation of CN200 and CR200 into a single product(if they weren't that already) at a higher speed is an interesting idea. The comments in this thread about the acetate supply may explain why they tried the synthetic base.

This film was designed for aerial photography and had to be dimensionally accurate, hence why polyester was used.
CN200 and CR200 were both completley different agfa aviphot films, one was specified as E6 and the other C41

 

[Nzoomed]

It looks like we have a new colour reversal film to play with, rooleu-maco Vario chrome. They say this film could be exposed between 200 and 400 iso with no adjustments in the process. It looks like Ferrania might have another competitor...

I can gurantee it will be either repackaged fuji or agfa film.
Will be interesting if Agfa is producing E6 again, if its polyester base, i assume its agfa.

I doubt invosocoat will be making it, Where would they find an E6 emulsion that they can coat on that coater?
Especially considering the time its taking for ferrania and Kodak to reproduce E6 again, i can only assume they have kept AGFA making Aviphot again, or they have sourced from fuji.

 

[Berri]

I will definitely buy a few rolls to try them and see what's it like. I'm not expecting anything spectacular, but at least so.eobe is actually capable of making chrome film. Without too much fuss

 

[Berri]

I can gurantee it will be either repackaged fuji or agfa film.
Will be interesting if Agfa is producing E6 again, if its polyester base, i assume its agfa.

I doubt invosocoat will be making it, Where would they find an E6 emulsion that they can coat on that coater?
Especially considering the time its taking for ferrania and Kodak to reproduce E6 again, i can only assume they have kept AGFA making Aviphot again, or they have sourced from fuji.

I don't think it is going to be Fuji film. I think it is a brand new agfa (Belgium) film

Inovis coat can make emulsions, not just coat them

 

[Berri]

I can gurantee it will be either repackaged fuji or agfa film.
Will be interesting if Agfa is producing E6 again, if its polyester base, i assume its agfa.

I doubt invosocoat will be making it, Where would they find an E6 emulsion that they can coat on that coater?
Especially considering the time its taking for ferrania and Kodak to reproduce E6 again, i can only assume they have kept AGFA making Aviphot again, or they have sourced from fuji.

Inovis coat produce impossible film. And almost certainly LOMO chrome films, so they have the means to actually make both positive or negative film

 

[mudfly9]

It could well be similar to the 320 ISO industrial Ektachrome they're selling here: Dead Link Removed

 

[wlodekmj]

wlodekmj, thats an impressive statement! (mine are not so good .) How do you store and keep your slides in such good shape?
Cheers, Pitt

The film came with a processing envelope, so it was processed by Ferrania or a Ferrania-approved lab, who clearly did a very good job of processing and stabilising the film. Then I stored the slides in a slide storage box that was tightly closed and kept in various dark cupboards around home over the years. I took them out last year on the 50th anniversary of the event that I had photographed, and I was delighted at how well they had kept - I scanned some and a couple were published. As was mentioned in this thread, a great deal depends on good processing.

 

[Arctic amateur]

Inovis coat produce impossible film. And almost certainly LOMO chrome films, so they have the means to actually make both positive or negative film

Lomochrome Purple and Lomochrome Turquoise are C-41 color negative films.

 

[flavio81]

It looks like we have a new colour reversal film to play with, rooleu-maco Vario chrome. They say this film could be exposed between 200 and 400 iso with no adjustments in the process. It looks like Ferrania might have another competitor...

This is good news even if it was rebadged/repackaged film.

As for the 200-400ISO claim, this must be a low-contrast slide film...

 

[Berri]

Lomochrome Purple and Lomochrome Turquoise are C-41 color negative films.

I know that. They can make emulsions, not only coat them, that the is essential point. They make impossible instant positive film and lomochrome, so I assume they have the capability of making and coating both positive and negative film

 

[Berri]

I know that. They can make emulsions, not only coat them, that the is essential point. They make impossible instant positive film and lomochrome, so I assume they have the capability of making and coating both positive and negative film

And before you say that impossible film is different from chrome film, I know that as well, but it also means they have quite a good R&D team

 

[aleckurgan]

mcaodirect replied to my question and they say it is a brand new emulsion and it is totally different from cr200

It is repackaged old film from a "major manufacturer": https://www.instagram.com/p/BV4PxrilxOG/
They have enough stock for a couple of production runs, which explains the "limited edition".

 

[Punker]

Similarly, I'd love to have 127 film to resurrect my baby Rollei

Here you go.

 

[FILM Ferrania]

Thank you Dave for keeping us informed - and thank you especially for the P30 which I finally received on Saturday June 24.

I see that this is a recent version, as it has P30 and FERRANIA along the top edge, and frame numbers along the lower edge. I look forward to the above further b/w emulsions, but - of course - especially to the 'chrome - Ferraniachrome was the first slide film I used, 51 years ago, and the slides still look as good as new. I look forward to comparing them to the new Ferraniachrome.

That's great to hear! I wasn't sure when the properly signed film would be shipping!

 

[faberryman]

It is repackaged old film from a "major manufacturer": https://www.instagram.com/p/BV4PxrilxOG/
They have enough stock for a couple of production runs, which explains the "limited edition".

One wonders how old it is, how it has been stored, and who it was originally produced for.

 

[FILM Ferrania]

It is repackaged old film from a "major manufacturer": https://www.instagram.com/p/BV4PxrilxOG/
They have enough stock for a couple of production runs, which explains the "limited edition".

This is not the thread for this film, necessarily - but there is a connection!

We had this film at Ferrania for a little while because it needed to be slitted to 35mm width from another format. But it's a polyester base and our antique slitters were not up to the task.

The last thing we wanted to do was ruin their batch with our antiques designed for triacetate.

We are in partnership with Macodirect on a few different projects. For example, they are shipping our P30 pre-orders to EU destinations for us. They are really awesome folks and truly good friends of FILM Ferrania. We think that a "new" chrome film in the market is an awesome thing!

Buy some!!

 

[Nzoomed]

I don't think it is going to be Fuji film. I think it is a brand new agfa (Belgium) film

Inovis coat can make emulsions, not just coat them

Actually its the other way round, invoscoat's business is to coat emulsions, not to make them, in fact any company that hires then needs to provide all the necessary materials etc.
I dont think Invoscoat would be making this stuff, there is simply too much $$$ to spend on R&D to get them to make an E6 film.
Agfa is the most recent E6 plant to stop production, so it would be the easiest for them to restart out of the top 3 film manufacturers.

If its Agfa film, that would be interesting indeed, hopefully they keep their E6 line going.
I loved their Aviphot stock, i bought mine from Wittner and it had great retro colours, but no yellowing like some batches of rollei had.

Would be interesting if its an early test batch of the new Kodak ektachrome film or not

 

[Photo Engineer]

Not early Kodak Ektachrome. I'm sure of that without checking.

Now a million people will prove me wrong.

PE

 

[Berri]

invoscoat's business is to coat emulsions, not to make them

they make impossible film and lomochrome for sure. on their website they say they make colour negative film.
This rollei variochrome is just some old master roll of an old film.

 

[Berri]

"We also have developed something for enthusiasts and the ones who want their shots to be unique: tin-type and special colour-negative films, which turn the known world of colour photography upside down. Each shot will be a surprise" I think they talk about lomohrome

http://www.inoviscoat.de/en/company/our-rd-projects/