Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[FILM Ferrania]

Dave, are you at liberty to tell us how much has been ordered?

Sorry, no I am not.

We sold all that we can deliver in a short period of time. As I said in another reply, we did not want to be in an endless pre-sale loop, forever catching up to sales from two weeks ago. So we decided to fast-track the stuff we discussed in our Scaling Up post: Dead Link Removed

 

[Agulliver]

My dad was very much a negatives and print man...started processing glass plates in the 50s, moving onto commercial labs for colour 120 negs in the early 60s. He never really was one for reversal film.

However I've used it on various occasions....having inherited a couple of slide projectors, including a rather wonderful 60s Prinz branded 600W beast, I think it's great fun to unroll the screen, darken the room...smell the burning lamp, hear the fan....and show some slides. I've also managed to process E6 film in the past, whereas I haven't tried C41. I think having the possibility to project directly or to scan/print is potentially great.

As for how much film has been sold....I just hope we help refill the coffers to assist the boys at Ferrania in their work towards producing their E6 films. I'm 100% buying the super 8, and probably some 135....how much will depend on price but definitely buying some super 8.

 

[DaveTheWalker]

I'm 100% buying the super 8, and probably some 135....how much will depend on price but definitely buying some super 8.

And me. That's absolutely top of my list at the moment, and I can hardly wait to try it out. In the meantime, of course, I've bought some P30 to play with

 

[Nzoomed]

It was my favorite thing. I can still remember the smell of the screen and the Argus/Airequipt ?? projector that would jam. I transferred all my Dad's slides into Carousels when the slide tray purge hit about 10 years ago. My Dad didn't waste a shot not when he was paying a silver dime a piece for a 25B press bulb (remember the crackle of the blue plastic film as it melted onto the bulb?) By the late 70's he had a Beseler Topcon Auto 100, My sister and I were grown up and he just banged away like everybody did.
He took some fabulous shots, I would bet that there are at least 10 or 12 slides that are worthy of national Geographic, Life etc.
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I see some beautiful Kodachrome Reds there

 

[pbromaghin]

Sorry, no I am not.

We sold all that we can deliver in a short period of time. As I said in another reply, we did not want to be in an endless pre-sale loop, forever catching up to sales from two weeks ago. So we decided to fast-track the stuff we discussed in our Scaling Up post: Dead Link Removed

Thank you. Apparently I wasn't careful enough the first time reading the scaling up post. "10's of thousands" is specific enough. I wonder about closing the shop, though. Is having goods sold before even being made such a bad position to be in?

I personally hold all of you at Film Ferrania in very high regard for the openness and honesty displayed throughout this project. You have quite daringly given us a very rare look inside an exciting startup, and it's been fascinating to watch it all unfold, the successes and the failures.

 

[kb3lms]

Today, I re-read the "scaling up" post and made a note of this,

...then must cure for a few days in the freezer to stabilize it before it is then thawed and coated.

I wonder why?

 

[wlodekmj]

Today, I re-read the "scaling up" post and made a note of this,

... reference to curing in freezer...

I wonder why?

Sorry, what are you wondering about? Many, many chemical processes need some curing. If you glue something together, the glue needs time to set. If you are making cheese or brewing beer, you need to let them mature. If you are, well, curing smoked cheese or smoked meat (or tobacco - is it still permitted to mention that?), you need to let it cure. The same is required for some photographic chemicals. In this case, as they say, to let it stabilise.

Or were you asking specifically why the curing needs to be in a freezer? Well, if you were to cure the mixture at a warmer temperature, some other component might oxidise or spoil, so the curing needs to be at a low temperature. But you would need a specialist in E6 chemicals - or a manual (maybe there are some online?) to tell you exactly what.

Hope this helps!

WlodekMJ

 

[Photo Engineer]

This is not generally true of photographic emulsions or dispersions though. The only case I know of is an old set of Ammonia digest formulas that suggest curing in the cold for up to 3 days. This is accomplished today by heating longer.

I would agree with the "I wonder why" comment.

PE

 

[bvy]

Some new images are up...

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[Andrew O'Neill]

Some new images are up...

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They look very nice, indeed!

 

[cmacd123]

This is not generally true of photographic emulsions or dispersions though. The only case I know of is an old set of Ammonia digest formulas that suggest curing in the cold for up to 3 days. This is accomplished today by heating longer. I would agree with the "I wonder why" comment.

I wonder if it has be be aged at something like 30 degrees (C) which sounds cold to someone who uses F

 

[flavio81]

Some new images are up...

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They look stunningly beautiful.
If this is how prints will also look, then I could see P30 to stay for decades on the market...

 

[Photo Engineer]

I wonder if it has be be aged at something like 30 degrees (C) which sounds cold to someone who uses F

Something is different here. IDK what.

PE

 

[Berri]

They look stunningly beautiful.
If this is how prints will also look, then I could see P30 to stay for decades on the market...

I'm sure prints will look good as those scans. I wish they bothered to actually print at least one frame though! If it was me taking those photos with a film nobody else has the chance to use, I deffinitely would have printed one or two!

 

[flavio81]

I'm sure prints will look good as those scans. I wish they bothered to actually print at least one frame though! If it was me taking those photos with a film nobody else has the chance to use, I deffinitely would have printed one or two!

I guess they have, as part of the testing needed for assessing best development times, etc.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Wonder what paper they may have used.

PE

 

[MattKing]

Wonder what paper they may have used.

PE

It would be nice if they also whipped up a batch of Polymax, or even better, Ektalure.

 

[Diapositivo]

In the captions I - personally - would avoid references to scans at 9600 dpi with a Canon CanoScan 9000F Mark II. Such claims by Canon are entirely unsubstantiated and should be taken with half a kilogram of salt.
According to this test, the real resolution achievable with this scanner is 1700 ppi, which is good for the type of scanner.

The best dedicated film scanners reach about 4000 ppi.

http://www.filmscanner.info/en/CanonCanoScan9000FMark2.html

Oh, and I would add: beautiful pictures, and beautiful grey gradations! Makes you feel like trying B&W.

 

[Berri]

I guess they have, as part of the testing needed for assessing best development times, etc.

I wish they showed the prints then. I can't wait to see some results from people around the world

 

[Berri]

In the captions I - personally - would avoid references to scans at 9600 dpi with a Canon CanoScan 9000F Mark II. Such claims by Canon are entirely unsubstantiated and should be taken with half a kilogram of salt.
According to this test, the real resolution achievable with this scanner is 1700 ppi, which is good for the type of scanner.

The best dedicated film scanners reach about 4000 ppi.

http://www.filmscanner.info/en/CanonCanoScan9000FMark2.html

Oh, and I would add: beautiful pictures, and beautiful grey gradations! Makes you feel like trying B&W.

I agree. Although 1700ppi is more than adequate for showing on the web.

 

[Nzoomed]

WOW, the new images look impressive!

 

[wlodekmj]

This is not generally true of photographic emulsions or dispersions though. The only case I know of is an old set of Ammonia digest formulas that suggest curing in the cold for up to 3 days. This is accomplished today by heating longer.

I would agree with the "I wonder why" comment.

PE

Thank you - at least now I understand the question!
Maybe one day Corrado will have time to tell us.

 

[Peter Schrager]

I wholeheartedly welcome Film Ferrania into the realm; the film looks great on web but I'm not paying $8/roll when I can support Kodak and Ilford
it's like Rollei selling aerial films for ridiculous prices telling us how they are silver rich...the rich here is the con artists taking your $$$
Ferrania get your act together and sell for competitive prices or you'll end up to be just a novelty item...
I could be wrong and lomo will give you a huge order but......
just my personal opinion folks!

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

it's like Rollei selling aerial films for ridiculous prices telling us how they are silver rich

Rollei has never made that claim.
You are confusing apples with oranges.
It is ADOX with Silvermax that makes the claim.
Silvermax is a custom run by InoViscoat for ADOX.

 

[ericdan]

still not buying any P30.
There are so many beautiful B&W films in that speed range out there.
I really don't need yet another one.