Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[kb3lms]

Scored 3 Carousel trays today for $1.50 each. Bring on the rewards!

Jason

 

[pbromaghin]

Dave, somebody posted recently (I can't remember where, but not APUG) that P30 has extended red sensitivity, much like Ilford SFX200. Is this correct?

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

First I heard of that...

 

[FILM Ferrania]

Has anyone else got a kickstarter email about updating your address for the rewards?

I had updated my address with the P30 survey that everyone got, so is there any need to respond to the kickstarter email?

When we closed the option to change shipping addresses within Kickstarter itself, the 48-hour message was automatically sent by them... We had no way to stop it.

But since only a little over half of our Backers responded to the "smart form" - I thought it was prudent to lock the Kickstarter changes even though the message somewhat duplicated the messaging in the smart form.

We will of course need to update addresses again when the color film is ready to ship - but it's now much easier to do it ourselves, whereas before we had no access to update shipping info.

 

[FILM Ferrania]

Just for something completely different.....

Got an e-mail from the Lomograpphy folks...

" In 2010, we bought the last ever Jumbo Roll of original 400 ASA film from some renowned Italian filmmakers. Then, ever the ones to experiment, we left the film to age like fine wine in oak casks in the Czech Republic. Thankfully, our crazy instincts were rewarded — seven years later, we went back to discover that this fantastic film still produces refined colors with a beautifully unique tone. It’s a one-of-a-kind Color Negative with an X-Pro feel and Tungsten overtones, and we’re so excited to share it with you! "

Sounds like they are running down on their stock of OLD Ferrania colour negative, to the point where it looks funky even by their eclectic standards. they are calling this " Color Negative F²/400 "

I'll give you exactly one guess who the "renowned Italian filmmakers" were.

And this BS about letting the film "age like fine wine" in the Czech Republic is really hilarious.

 

[Nzoomed]

When we closed the option to change shipping addresses within Kickstarter itself, the 48-hour message was automatically sent by them... We had no way to stop it.

But since only a little over half of our Backers responded to the "smart form" - I thought it was prudent to lock the Kickstarter changes even though the message somewhat duplicated the messaging in the smart form.

We will of course need to update addresses again when the color film is ready to ship - but it's now much easier to do it ourselves, whereas before we had no access to update shipping info.

Thats all good Dave,
Ive updated it on kickstarter anyway to avoid any confusion.

 

[flavio81]

I'll give you exactly one guess who the "renowned Italian filmmakers" were.

CAPELLI!! Capelli Film!

And this BS about letting the film "age like fine wine" in the Czech Republic is really hilarious.

It made me a bit angry, but on the other side, part of the analog film resurrection is thanks to the Lomography guys and customers.

 

[FILM Ferrania]

The end of february is approaching but the Ferrania Shop is still closed...

Yes, and unfortunately, despite working furiously for the past six weeks to find a viable e-commerce solution that meets our needs - and most critically, doesn't cost $50-80K - it's going to be a bit longer before the shop is ready.

Just before logging into APUG, I finally received some answers from two service providers who can do what we need. However whichever we choose will need to tweak their "out of the box" system for our purposes, which will take some time.

We're discussing over the weekend and the countdown clock will start counting down before end-of-business on Tuesday.

And some time between now and then, I need to extract my foot from my mouth for the "later this month" thing, which I insisted that we post before we knew 100%...

 

[flavio81]

Yes, and unfortunately, despite working furiously for the past six weeks to find a viable e-commerce solution that meets our needs - and most critically, doesn't cost $50-80K - it's going to be a bit longer before the shop is ready.

What about sytems like Magento?

(Magento is a PHP application to quickly develop online e-commerce stores. It is a bit old and outdated now, but that means there should be many competitors to it, easier to use, cheaper, and in a more secure platform like Python instead of PHP.)

If i had the spare time I would help you guys...

 

[FILM Ferrania]

...part of the analog film resurrection is thanks to the Lomography guys and customers.

Yes, bless them and their flowery marketing! They certainly have a difficult time connecting to the broader analog community, but the part they've got, they've got ON LOCK.

 

[flavio81]

Yes, bless them and their flowery marketing! They certainly have a difficult time connecting to the broader analog community, but the part they've got, they've got ON LOCK.

They are responsible for me getting back to film!
Long story short: I sold all my film gear for digital; then when the Lomography shop opened in my city, I saw film could resurrect, plus a place where to buy all kinds of film; this made me buy again film gear, and now i'm here with about 26 film cameras and 45+ lenses...

 

[FILM Ferrania]

What about sytems like Magento?

Magento and most other "real" commerce platforms are incredibly expensive to implement properly. Emphasis on properly. And the lead-time is in months, not weeks.

Our decision to sell P30 film was really quite sudden in the grand scheme of things and it's been a mad rush on my part to figure out how to properly sell it.

Again, I really wish I hadn't insisted on that "later this month" stuff...

 

[FILM Ferrania]

Dave, somebody posted recently (I can't remember where, but not APUG) that P30 has extended red sensitivity, much like Ilford SFX200. Is this correct?

No

 

[FILM Ferrania]

The good news about the "new" Lomography film is that everyone who wanted to shoot some Solaris now has a chance without buying sketchy stuff from eBay! Because at the very least we know that Lomography took very good care of that Jumbo while they were figuring out what to do with it.

 

[pbromaghin]

No

Thank you, sir.

 

[Nzoomed]

The good news about the "new" Lomography film is that everyone who wanted to shoot some Solaris now has a chance without buying sketchy stuff from eBay! Because at the very least we know that Lomography took very good care of that Jumbo while they were figuring out what to do with it.

 

[cmacd123]

The good news about the "new" Lomography film is that everyone who wanted to shoot some Solaris now has a chance without buying sketchy stuff from eBay! Because at the very least we know that Lomography took very good care of that Jumbo while they were figuring out what to do with it.

yes, but is their any data about the effects on colour film of ageing in Oak? My old film tends to age in the fridge.

 

[Nzoomed]

Well I would love to see how their "aged" film compares to the latest roll of Solaris that I have just had processed this week!
IDK if anyone here has had much experience with expired film or not, but these shots below seem to have a strong colour shift towards yellow and the lab commented how "purple" the negatives were, but thought it was some special film and thought it had really awesome retro colours! lol

Should you expect varying results between rolls in the same brick of film?
I also think some shots look rather overexposed as i mentioned with the photos i posted a few pages back the other week.
I might tape over the DX code in case my camera is not reading it properly, and set the film speed manually.


Either way, I dont mind the retro colours, but I have had similar issues with other films ive been shooting which are fresh and not expired in my XA3, which makes me wonder if my camera is over exposing the images.

All the above images were from the same roll, and as you can see, the colour looks fairly normal on some of them.

Either way, I dont mind the retro colours, looks like the photos were taken many years ago!

 

[Nzoomed]

It's not due to bad storage. It is a characteristic of that remnant aerial film (Rollei CR200 [:Aviphot] ). I have exposed separate rolls from different batches and all the results show a murky and unpalattable cast and at the very least, a palette that is far removed from straight E6 processing, yet consistent with the observed characteristics of the film, as published. The examples you may see on the web have very often been modified (post) to overcome the cast. These are not reliable indicators of outcomes, nor is one or two rolls.

Below are my shots taken on the stuff from Wittner, I have had great results with NO yellowing and have not needed to make any adjustments or corrections on my scans. There was no "yellow" cast delibratley added to compensate for aerial photographic purposes. There seems to be some rumour going round that this was done to correct for high UV at higher altitudes then shooting the film.

This is simply not correct. Agfa film is well known to not store well and is known to yellow with age.
From what I have read, the agfa Aviphot film stock was simply the same emulsion as Agfa RSX-II, but with a polyester base.

These shots have been scanned without any correction and I even had submitted them to Wittner who used them for promotional purposes, as I was one of their first customers to test their product, they guaranteed it free from yellowing, and I backed up their claims with these shots.
And yes, I agree with others that it is the closest film available to Kodachrome.


P.S.

Sorry for getting off topic on this ferrania thread, Im happy to discuss this film further, because I simply have not experienced these issues, nor have many others using this film.
I know others here have had great results from the later batches from Rollei and Lomography without any yellowing also.

 

[Agulliver]

I had guessed that getting a web shop up and running was the sticking point.

No problem waiting a few more days/weeks to get my hands on some P30. The big thing is we know that Film Ferrania have successfully made some photographic film!

 

[Rudeofus]

I had guessed that getting a web shop up and running was the sticking point.

No, I would have not guessed, that this could turn into a blocking point for selling film, which is supposed to be the main source of money for Ferrania. There are gazillions of people out there, who either already run a web shop for photographic products, or could could whip one up in a matter of days. It's not like this webshop for P30 would have to handle a million requests per day, although I would certainly wish Ferrania that it would.

Holding up a skilled team of experts in such an obscure and demanding field as emulsion making with webshop monkey business is painful, to say the least, it ranks right with "we couldn't make a coating this week because lead engineer had difficulties fixing the carburetor of his car".

 

[Agulliver]

@Rudeofus - Have you ever tried selling anything via a webshop? Have you tried integrating a webshop into an existing website?

 

[Rudeofus]

@Rudeofus - Have you ever tried selling anything via a webshop? Have you tried integrating a webshop into an existing website?

No, this is not my job, and the job I do would seriously suffer if I were held up by such an issue. I have, however, ordered lots and lots of different photographic products from existing web shops, and none of these webshop operators could coat a photographic emulsion in their life time. We're not talking rocket science here.

 

[twelvetone12]

I don't get the problem. Dave said "end of the month" and guaranteed that at least the counter will be on by today, which is the end of the month. If then the shop opens tomorrow it doesn't seem a huge tragedy to me, it is not like they are postponing everything until 2025, until they figure stuff out.

 

[bvy]

I don't get the problem. Dave said "end of the month" and guaranteed that at least the counter will be on by today, which is the end of the month. If then the shop opens tomorrow it doesn't seem a huge tragedy to me, it is not like they are postponing everything until 2025, until they figure stuff out.

Agreed. Their communication has been good, and they've been pretty upfront about what's going on (perhaps too much so, as they've open themselves up to scrutiny from all sorts of armchair experts). We're talking days here.