Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

Chris Livsey · Jun 8, 2017

cmacd123 said:
All 35mm sprockets are "Movie" dimensions.

the two most common are BH (also called Negative) and KS (Kodak Standard also called Positive) the BH perfs have rounded ends and are used in Most movie Cameras. for technical reasons they normally have .1866 inch centers. the KS perfs have rectangualr holes and are generaly .1870 inch centers. (not that most folks can measure that .0004 inch difference.)

Almost all Still film is provided with KS1870 perfs.

Ferrania did say they were using a "positive film" perforator to prepair this stuff, using a "ferrania" plate to endorse the edge of the film. they also indicated that the name reads right on the emulsion side, which if you think about how movie prints are made would be right as the words would read right when you were looking at a print where the titles and such also read correctly. (which for a contact print from a negative would be the emulsion side)

So yes, you can expect the (correct) movie perfs....

Thank you for the expansion, I am well aware of the difference in the perfs shooting ORWO N74 and Kodak 5222 regularly, I have checked this am and the perfs on P30 are not BH perfs , it is clear visually and measuring is not required they are standard still 35mm perfs. not rounded as on 5222/N74.
It does not explain why Ferrania are advising against motor drives, it is well known that some drives with BH perf film can be destructive, Leica MOT cameras for example when motor driven. I did find loading the film was tightly wound in the cassette not slack with room for reverse winding and that tension may have cause a tear in a motor drive camera but that is pure speculation as the second roll I checked was quite loose as is normal. I tend to tighten the film back so I get a clear indication of a correct load with my Leicas.

Agulliver · Jun 8, 2017

The funds have not been taken from my account yet....so not holding my breath. My intention is to shoot P30 in Cornwall in August anyway. But that could change to London at any time really.

With regards to Flickr I opened an account there and could not for the life of me figure out how to use it...so gave up. Quite the most user unfriendly site I have ever come across in my 28 years on the internet (yes...pre-www)

RattyMouse · Jun 9, 2017

Agulliver said:
The funds have not been taken from my account yet....so not holding my breath. My intention is to shoot P30 in Cornwall in August anyway. But that could change to London at any time really.

With regards to Flickr I opened an account there and could not for the life of me figure out how to use it...so gave up. Quite the most user unfriendly site I have ever come across in my 28 years on the internet (yes...pre-www)

Wow....millions of people upload photos to flickr every day. Over 10,000 photos per minute in fact. I'm not sure why this was so difficult to you. Flickr is quite easy to use.

bvy · Jun 9, 2017

RattyMouse said:
Wow....millions of people upload photos to flickr every day. Over 10,000 photos per minute in fact. I'm not sure why this was so difficult to you. Flickr is quite easy to use.

Everything is easy when you know how to do it. The Flickr interface has been notoriously glitchy in certain browsers over the years...

RattyMouse · Jun 9, 2017

bvy said:
Everything is easy when you know how to do it. The Flickr interface has been notoriously glitchy in certain browsers over the years...

You click on the cloud icon and follow the directions. It's not difficult. I do it in Safari, Firefox, and IE. I've never once heard anyone say using flickr is difficult.

bvy · Jun 9, 2017

RattyMouse said:
You click on the cloud icon and follow the directions. It's not difficult. I do it in Safari, Firefox, and IE. I've never once heard anyone say using flickr is difficult.

Well now you have. Upload = Cloud is hardly the most intuitive thing in the world.

Agulliver · Jun 9, 2017

What I was hoping to do with Flickr, was move uploaded photos from one album to another, choose which to share etc. I tried for 30 minutes and jut gave up. Flickr isn't especially important to me....certainly not important enough for me to spend a lot of time on it.

I recall no cloud icon...but then I do not use cloud services.

But it's not like I know anything....only been using computers since 1981 and the internet since 1988 (yes indeed pre www).

fdonadio · Jun 9, 2017

I have (or had?) a Flickr account, but never use it. I think I created it just to comment on someone's photo.

I use 500px.com, though. I like it very much and it has the organization features I need.

Element 6 · Jun 9, 2017

bvy said:
Well now you have. Upload = Cloud is hardly the most intuitive thing in the world.

I am true analog. My uploads are prints into a photo album.

Cholentpot · Jun 9, 2017

Element 6 said:
I am true analog. My uploads are prints into a photo album.

Optical prints only I hope.

Berri · Jun 9, 2017

I know everyone is getting excited about their P30, but, any news on the colour film?

Chris Livsey · Jun 10, 2017

Not the place for test shots, I will start a new thread unless there is one already somewhere, but here is P30 Alpha on P30 Alpha

At 80 iso, HC110 1:60 12 mins reduced agitation, F100 55mm f3.5 micro Nikkor V850 scan

General observation is the test shots on the web page are a very good guide to the "look"of the film.

1L6E6VHF · Jun 10, 2017

I hope I'll be able to get some 126 chrome.

Just scored an Instamatic X-90 at a garage sale.

RattyMouse · Jun 10, 2017

Agulliver said:
What I was hoping to do with Flickr, was move uploaded photos from one album to another, choose which to share etc. I tried for 30 minutes and jut gave up. Flickr isn't especially important to me....certainly not important enough for me to spend a lot of time on it.

I recall no cloud icon...but then I do not use cloud services.

But it's not like I know anything....only been using computers since 1981 and the internet since 1988 (yes indeed pre www).

Cloud icon is just at the top right corner. It's how you upload photos to flickr. Organizing photos is even easier once you click the word "organize". Hold our mouse over YOU and all your options appear. Really, 30 minutes and you didnt find this? At the bottom right click on the word "Help" if you get stuck.

FYI, I programmed my first computer in 1979 and was using the internet when you had to be fluent in UNIX to get anything done.

Berri · Jun 10, 2017

Someone processed a P30 and the film says "safety 100" on the rebate. Why is that? I thought it was 80 ISO.

Berri · Jun 10, 2017

Chris Livsey said:
Not the place for test shots, I will start a new thread unless there is one already somewhere, but here is P30 Alpha on P30 Alpha

At 80 iso, HC110 1:60 12 mins reduced agitation, F100 55mm f3.5 micro Nikkor V850 scan

General observation is the test shots on the web page are a very good guide to the "look"of the film.

what does your film say on the rebate? is it "safety 100"? Some people says it looks similar to ilford pan 100...

iandvaag · Jun 11, 2017

The Best Practices pdf (v1.1) from the Ferrania website says the following regarding the film rebate:

6. ALPHA has no frame numbers and a non-standard signature.
We are currently using the cinema workflow for perforating all film. This machine is set up with a traditional signature block that exposes the brand “backward” and does not have frame numbers. This will eventually change as we set up the dedicated still photography workflow.

Berri · Jun 11, 2017

iandvaag said:
6. ALPHA has no frame numbers and a non-standard signature.
We are currently using the cinema workflow for perforating all film. This machine is set up with a traditional signature block that exposes the brand “backward” and does not have frame numbers. This will eventually change as we set up the dedicated still photography workflow.

but there is no brand, just safety 100.

Berri · Jun 11, 2017

or is it safety 10D?

Chris Livsey · Jun 11, 2017

Berri said:
but there is no brand, just safety 100.

Have you actually seen the film? It has Ferrania on the rebate:

The other marking is cruder and to me reads Safety 10D

Berri · Jun 11, 2017

Chris Livsey said:
Have you actually seen the film? It has Ferrania on the rebate:

The other marking is cruder and to me reads Safety 10D

yes I have seen the film shipped to a friend of mine and on his film it doesn't say Ferrania, I swear. It just say safety 10D or 100 I'm not sure

Berri · Jun 11, 2017

and to be honest this is not looking too good...why some films have ferrania and frame numbers and some don't?

afriman · Jun 11, 2017

Berri said:
and to be honest this is not looking too good...why some films have ferrania and frame numbers and some don't?

I think such variations are in line with this being an alpha product.

cmacd123 · Jun 11, 2017

Some of the old Ferrania Print stock did say -SAFETY- along the edge. (with the Dashes for and aft) Print stock also sometimes only has the name once a second- ie every 18 inches. Assuming they are still using the positive perforater that is what you might get.

Please post a picture of the rebate marking you see so we can mentally compare then with stocks we have seen over the years.

The Ferrania 15 marking in the picture would have probably would have meant that the film was from strip 15 sliced from the master roll. (out of 35- 40 strips possible) these days it is just their because that is the negative they put in place.

Chris Livsey · Jun 12, 2017

Berri said:
yes I have seen the film shipped to a friend of mine and on his film it doesn't say Ferrania, I swear. It just say safety 10D or 100 I'm not sure

It would certainly be possible, and I apologise if my tone was accusatory, that was not intended, my batch is P30.17.001 I understand .002 is now shipping and may have different marking and as stated it is alpha so variation is possible between runs.

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