It became unreasonable on balance from posts 28 and 76, clearly unreasonable from post 124 and blindingly obviously unreasonable from post 138. Mind you, following the thread was hampered by the trolling posts.
So I don't think it was unreasonable to doubt the authenticity of this.
The wires are really crossed somewhere...
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It better be something completely amazing, like an affordable high quality scanner, or colour film, or a complete suite of colour development chemistry and tools, to even slightly make up for this.
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Make up for what? Announcing they're bringing a new product to market in the future? They could also do nothing and make no announcement, but I'd rather have an unnecessarily long hype campaign and the potential for something great. Harman don't owe me anything "to make up for this".
We were excited to hear what they’ve teased for a month, and then we are told it’ll be another month.
That is pretty stupid any way you look at it.
No one “owes” anyone anything in marketing, but there is such a thing as common decency and showing sympathy towards your audience.
Do you feel that way about pregancy?
And there is no willful teasing and deceiving from biology.
No to take this too far off-topic, but the antecedents to conception sometimes involve a massive amount of willful teasing. I can only hope you've been at some point privy to this pleasure.
The only thing that may not be as fortuitous is a product launch this time of year. In my mind, around March or April would have been smarter, which is the season when people pick up their cameras en masse. On the other hand, why miss out on a couple of months' worth of sales only to delay to spring season? And this way, they get the holiday season as a nice head start.
On the 1st of December will get to know the final date when they will tell us when the announcement will be.
Just unfollow them. No reason to reward that kind of thing.
It better be something completely amazing, like an affordable high quality scanner, or colour film, or a complete suite of colour development chemistry and tools, to even slightly make up for this.
A halfhearted film camera, when we already have plenty or something similarly lame would be a wet diaper in the face of the public.
I'll get some fresh C41 chenistry . . . . . . . .
Ian
Yeah I think they might be hoping to shift a lot of this product in the run up to Christmas. If it is something small that one can buy in units of 1, 3, 5, 10, 20....they might well sell a lot as Christmas presents. If it really is a film, even if it's similar cost to Kodak film it's not going to be difficult for people to buy one or a three pack as a Christmas present for a loved one. And us lot might just buy bricks if that's what it turns out to be.
Make up for what? This is just a mediocre social media campaign. Nobody has been damaged. Nobody has lost any money.
If it is upsetting you, then yes...unfollow them. But they owe none of us anything. There is nothing to "make up" for.
We are film photographers....surely we have some patience?
Looking at the Instagram feed today, someone has asked if they're joining forces with Fuji to make colour film And they reply "You are completely wrong" but with a big smiley so who knows.
In response to a suggestion that this is a discontinued product from the past "nothing we've previously discontinued".
What is noticeable is that they are interacting a lot more with people as of yesterday....and they are specifically not responding to any posts speculating this might be colour film. Except for the one user guessing a tie-up with FujiFilm.
Make up for irritating us, wasting our time and quite possibly overselling the product.
Very few products can live up that kind of drawn out tease.
If you are fine with it, then just don’t reply, shrug and move on to a discussion you deem worthwhile.
On 3 Nov 2023 Harman Technology registered the trademark HARMAN PHOENIX
https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003943274
They filed it on 8 August 2023. I think I've stated this five times in this very thread. And at least one other poster has linked to it before too.
It is entirely up to each individual how much time they invest in this. If you feel it's wasted your time, you've only yourself to blame for allowing your time to be wasted. That is not Harman's fault. If you find it very irritating, then don't participate.
Harman really don't owe us anything in recompense for a less than stellar social media campaign.
Is that a hint, Ian?
I think I've stated this five times in this very thread.
I'll get some fresh C41 chenistry . . . . . . . .
Ian
RA4 paper would make me shut up entirely. That would truly be worth the hoopla.
Orange is the colour of fire that the Phoenix dives into to get reborn. I’d be surprised to see it in a rainbow of colours.It's a gut feeling based on a number of factors, and hints. Two videos, one with a brief mention that Harman can't use the Ilford name on a colour film, the other talking about multi million pounds worth of investment, The Harmanphoto new website, the Harman Phoenix trade name registration, the marketing of the Grey scale Phoenix logo, at the beginning of this thread I said it would burst into colour, and it did yesterday. I'd expect that logo to change into a fuller range of colours.
There's at least volume there. But it'll be very difficult to gain any market share in that segment, especially because Harman has no distribution channel that's geared to serve such labs.
'Analog' RA4 printing is a tiny niche and wouldn't make any business sense for them to get into.
Ilford has been very good at pushing printing. But you are probably right.
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