Fair enough (although we won’t agree the price of silver is the whole story when it comes to paper pricing). I expressed a negative opinion and that is or should be allowed.
We're in a world where Fuji has virtually stopped making film and Kodak Alaris has been bought by VC. I'm really happy we have a second/third supplier of color films (depending on if you count InovisCoat at the moment), and I've made great photographs on both Phoenix and Kentmere 200.
The unfortunate reality of shooting film is that we're directly impacted by the price of silver and that's about doubled in the last 5 years. It's no surprise that film and paper costs have risen.
Fair enough (although we won’t agree the price of silver is the whole story when it comes to paper pricing). I expressed a negative opinion and that is or should be allowed.
You're welcome to express a negative opinion, just as I'm welcome to point out that it might be wrong
Be careful! The opinion police are out in force tonight, the rubber bullets will will be flying next!Works for me.
That's a shocking amount of negativity towards one of the only companies out there developing new film products.
Please. Nobody needs new film products.
Nobody needs film photography at all. If we replace "needs" with "wants", then there are certainly a lot of people who would like to live in a world where not every color negative roll film is made by a company in Rochester that begins with "K" and ends in "odak". Especially when said company isn't even allowed to actually sell roll film to the public and is forced to go through a gate-keeper.
I would imagine that anyone interested in the temporary survival of what's left of film photography would want > 1 color film maker.
I purchased a couple of rolls of Harman Phoenix, Harman Red, and a few Orwo films for that matter, fully aware of their deficiencies. I also bought three rolls of Kentmere 200, which I guess is not deficient, but it's a new film product.
If Harman announces Phoenix II, I will buy a couple of rolls the same day.
The unfortunate reality of shooting film is that we're directly impacted by the price of silver and that's about doubled in the last 5 years. It's no surprise that film and paper costs have risen.
There is to remember what already is gone: Agfa, Konica, etc. Those better be "unnecessary" products already because they are no more. There is the old adage of market economics that if it does not suit your needs, you don't need to purchase it (not addressed to you Agulliver).Harman has identified the colour print film market as a sector they could viably develop products for. It's also by far the biggest chunk of the film photography market. The C41 film market dwarfs the B&W and transparency markets many times over. Harman's expansion into this market does not strike me as evil Pemberstone seeking world domination via incrementally improving camera film. It's a strategy to ensure the growth of the company at minimal risk, which will have the effect of ensuring all the B&W products we know and love also remain in production and hopefully in the future with fewer jarring price increases.
It's a strategy to ensure the growth of the company at minimal risk, which will have the effect of ensuring all the B&W products we know and love also remain in production
Except that in terms of the death or continued life of film photography this forum does not represent the bulk of film users nor the future of film. We are not anything like big enough to be that important to Harman or to any other film manufacturers for that matter.I swear, the film photography community will be the death of film photography.
And more importantly it seems to be being done in a way that ensures cross-pollination (and thus potential new products in B&W) rather than silo'd research teams. The whole point of a lot of Ilford's emulsion research (e.g. Delta and XP) was that it was intended to lead to colour products anyway...
I wouldn't disagree with this statement, but really wonder who does represent the bulk of film users... specifically regarding consumer film for still photography? I haven't been able to figure out an answer. Generic replies seem to have been offered in the past based, apparently, on who the film companies are directing their marketing but not sure if that reflects the prediliction of the marketing team or data regarding the biggest film users.Except that in terms of the death or continued life of film photography this forum does not represent the bulk of film users nor the future of film. We are not anything like big enough to be that important to Harman or to any other film manufacturers for that matter.
I wouldn't disagree with this statement, but really wonder who does represent the bulk of film users... specifically regarding consumer film for still photography? I haven't been able to figure out an answer. Generic replies seem to have been offered in the past based, apparently, on who the film companies are directing their marketing but not sure if that reflects the prediliction of the marketing team or data regarding the biggest film users.
That would be a logical step. It'd be cool if they would have managed it by now.Total guess but I think they're going to add the orange mask to Phoenix.
really wonder who does represent the bulk of film users
Total guess but I think they're going to add the orange mask to Phoenix.
It's quite likely that when the masking couplers are incorporated, it'll be a much more complete film (probably using the K200 emulsion components somewhere too). I think there'll be much more of a build up for that release however.
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