Film Ferrania p30

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I got 2 P30 films from a friend. This is my 2nd attempt with the rest of the 1st film. Black- and whitepoint were adjusted equally, no further edit. Developed 12 minutes in Caffenol-C-M(rs), this is a rather tame variant: 12 minutes, 20 °C, agitation first 30 seconds, then 3x every minute. Exposure indexes 20, 40, 80, see pics.

The second film will stay untouched.
 

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aparat said:
I enjoyed looking at your photos! Thank you for sharing those with us. The film does seem beautiful. The shot of the cow has such wonderful richness of tones. I can't wait to give this film a try and see what prints I can make of it.
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Thank you, appreciated, it is a rather special film.
There are those who deny a film has a look of its own, and that may well be true of modern emulsions which have perhaps merged to a common middle ground. (Driven by economics in silver content and advances in crystal growth and presumably mass consumer acceptance which is now passed). I have seen comparisons of HP5+ and Tri-X which were indistinguishable, the P30 being an 'old" formula seems to look back to an era where individuality was more highly prized. The Ferrania hosted Gallery on their website, although curated, does show a film with a look even though in the hands of numerous photographers with varied developers and exposures. In modern parlance I suppose it is a boutique film, and to be valued because of that.
 

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I also agree with Chris. When my photos are examined by friends, family and other photographers, the first thing noticed is the lack of grain and the "big" look. The film has a very smooth tonal transition throughout its range, giving it more than 135 look and feel.

I have a feeling this film in 120 is going to be a game-changer.
 

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This also bodes very well for small-format cine film! (which is unsurprising, given its heritage...)
 

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After seeing all this P30 wonderfulness, I wonder what other kinds of fun could be had:

 

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After all the talk about "Orthochromatic" tendencies, it made me smile to read about P30's "well-balanced colour sensitivities, particularly in the reds..."
 
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I thought I'd post my results showing how much abuse P30 can take. None of it was done intentionally. My dental xray processor's drying rack had a malfunction in the chain drive of the drying rack right after the film fed in. Because of this I had to let the film feed in knowing that the first photos would stay in the fixer far too long. The film also was kinked in some areas making those shots unusable. After the last of the film had fed in and 4.5 minutes had gone by I had to tear the film from the rollers and then I clipped it to the wall to dry. The film promptly fell out of the clip into what was probably the worst possible location- against the wall behind the door where the janitor never sweeps. I had to do some retouching to cover the dust but otherwise I've left the images unretouched. So- developer is Paterson dental-xray developer and fixer. Time in the processor varies from 4.5 minutes to about 8 minutes.



 

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DaveTheWalker said:
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After all the talk about "Orthochromatic" tendencies, it made me smile to read about P30's "well-balanced colour sensitivities, particularly in the reds..." [/QUOTE]
In the 60s ad they note a slightly lower red (tungsten) sensitivity, and that can be indeed either a pro or a con for portaiture As always, it depends ....

The recent P30 has a real speed of ISO 20 - 40 imho, see the link above to the densitometric curves or my sample pictures. If you underexpose the film at EI 80, the reds of course are even darker, you can see that also on my sample pics in post #178 and compared to the color pic.
 

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grommi said:
After all the talk about "Orthochromatic" tendencies, it made me smile to read about P30's "well-balanced colour sensitivities, particularly in the reds..."
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In the 60s ad they note a slightly lower red (tungsten) sensitivity, and that can be indeed either a pro or a con for portaiture As always, it depends ....

The recent P30 has a real speed of ISO 20 - 40 imho, see the link above to the densitometric curves or my sample pictures. If you underexpose the film at EI 80, the reds of course are even darker, you can see that also on my sample pics in post #178 and compared to the color pic.[/QUOTE]

I was about to say that your near identical scene pics, including the colour one, does seem to lend some support to Chris Livsey's very dark red sign but as you say, if the real speed is 20-40 then at 80 it is at least one stop under and maybe closer to two which might explain the darkness of the reds.

If the true speed is at best 40 and maybe as little as 20 then unfortunately it is, for me, hardly the natural choice for the mid 50s latitudes here in the U.K. especially any time outside of mid June to end August latest.

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Until it's available in larger sizes, I don't have much use for it. I do like the look, though, and hope 120 and sheets will be produced.
I am also appreciative of your efforts to stay engaged with your target audience. It says a lot about your commitment to this endeavor.
 

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Having reviewed this thread and visited the website, I thought it might be interesting to try some, but cannot figure out what the present availability of this film is. It seems Ferrania is filling prior orders, but there's no clear info about how those of us who missed the first bus can now get on "the list" or otherwise hope to acquire some of this film.

Any guidance?
 

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Trask said:
It seems Ferrania is filling prior orders, but there's no clear info about how those of us who missed the first bus can now get on "the list" or otherwise hope to acquire some of this film.
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That's about it, actually. They let those of us who participated in the Kickstarter place pre-orders, and now they're filling those as they're ramping up production. Once they're up to speed, they'll open up the shop for regular commerce. They're not quite there yet - I've got a pre-order in, but I'm still waiting for my film.
 

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Does anyone have any experience with Kodak's D-96? I mixed this from scratch using the Kodak pdf and plan to develop my roll #2 tomorrow in the rondinax, ASA 50 for 8 minutes continues per the Ferrania chart. If anyone had any tips, I'd appreciate any.
 

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pentaxuser said:
The recent P30 has a real speed of ISO 20 - 40 imho, see the link above to the densitometric curves or my sample pictures.
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This is according to a test which we don't know the exact conditions of.

As i mentioned, the sensivity will vary according to the light used. The old ad for P30 already shows the big difference in speed according to the type of lighting.

I think it is not fair to proclaim that this film is really "ISO 20-40" so easily.
 

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Here are some shots from the Epicnic in Verona, WI, just outside Madison. Epic is a massive healthcare software company based in Verona. Their Campus is a bizarre disneyland of themed office buildings set amidst the southern Wisconsin fields. All employees of the international company, privately held by a 70-something woman, meet in one of North America's largest enclosed amphitheatres on a monthly basis. My brother works there as a programmer.

http://imgur.com/a/GbPcq

I will definitely play with this in medium format if it becomes available.
 
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Surely it is fair from my point of view. I can confirm these densitometric results with my own experiance, look at my samples in post #178. They were made at midday in overcast weather with a trusty metering of my Minolta 7000i. So no difficult light situation with an easy to handle subject and contrast. For tungsten light the real speed may be even a bit lower... I learned my lesson a long time ago only to trust my own findings. Of course some of the many, many underexposed and overdeveloped pics with the P30 at boxspeed are nice, but they still are underexposed and overdeveloped.

PS: let's keep in mind that this is an alpha version and may not match the 60s original perfectly. And maybe the ferrania people felt to be under pressure to finally bring anything.

PPS: I have a lot of sympathy for the ferrania adventure and honestly hope it will be successful. But we would do them a bad turn not addressing problems in a frank manner.
 
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I didn't notice too many of these spots. So these are black dots on the negative I take it and not dust. I will take a look more closely on a few strips.
 

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I would assume those are dust spots unless you scanned them yourself and knew what you were doing in controlling the dust.
 
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