Film Ferrania p30

[warden]

I'm not interested in a film that you must expose at ISO 10 to get some shadow detail.

We’re you shooting it at iso 10? If so I’d be interested in seeing the images.

 

[m00dawg]

I like slower films, but the P30 is marketed as an ISO 80 film and at that speed you'll get some mid and bright tones but everything darker than that will be pitch black.

That's a valid point. They stubbornly say it's 80, and maybe in D96 it is but in XTOL, I found it's better at 50 though it's ok at 80. I never went below 50 though might be worth a try. This was before I had the option to do rotary processing though so if/when it's available again I'll want to give it a go with continuous agitation.

Another thing I found odd was the red sensitivity. Sometimes I felt it was normal, and sometimes I felt it was more ortho but could never nail down under what conditions. I also found in XTOL 1:1 it's sometimes glowy if that makes sense. I've been playing with XTOL replenishment so I'm curious how that may change. XTOL is my preferred developer but I dunno if it's a great match for P30.

I guess all told my concerns are more with consistency. Sometimes it's glowly, sometimes it's not; sometimes red looks fine, sometimes it doesn't; sometimes it's better at 50, sometimes 80. Just hard to wrangle. But when it works, wow does it reward. I haven't tried CMS 20 yet but I have P30 negatives where I can't really even see the grain! Compare that to Pancro 400 where, even in 4x5, grain is pretty easy to spot.

That's a nice film. Very fine grain, more like the old Efke/Adox 50 than the 100. I have exposed it at ISO 100 and developed it in Agfa 44 1+1, but I still want more shadow detail so ISO 50 is better. Maybe even ISO 25 if developed in Rodinal.

Excellent! I'm very excited for it! Hoping it gets here next week so I have time to try it over the weekend.

 

[warden]

That's a valid point. They stubbornly say it's 80, and maybe in D96 it is but in XTOL, I found it's better at 50 though it's ok at 80. I never went below 50 though might be worth a try. This was before I had the option to do rotary processing though so if/when it's available again I'll want to give it a go with continuous agitation.

Another thing I found odd was the red sensitivity. Sometimes I felt it was normal, and sometimes I felt it was more ortho but could never nail down under what conditions. I also found in XTOL 1:1 it's sometimes glowy if that makes sense. I've been playing with XTOL replenishment so I'm curious how that may change. XTOL is my preferred developer but I dunno if it's a great match for P30.

I guess all told my concerns are more with consistency. Sometimes it's glowly, sometimes it's not; sometimes red looks fine, sometimes it doesn't; sometimes it's better at 50, sometimes 80. Just hard to wrangle. But when it works, wow does it reward. I haven't tried CMS 20 yet but I have P30 negatives where I can't really even see the grain! Compare that to Pancro 400 where, even in 4x5, grain is pretty easy to spot.



Excellent! I'm very excited for it! Hoping it gets here next week so I have time to try it over the weekend.

I didn't have enough P30 to really experiment with it but I exposed at 80, 50 and 25. Of the three I liked the results at iso50 best but would need more film to dial it in of course. Preferably in 120 format please.

 

[m00dawg]

120 would be glorious! I recall they mentioned that. I _think_ they even mentioned sheets, but since we're still waiting on 35mm supply, maybe one thing at a time heh. But gosh it sure would be great!

 

[David Luttmann]

I found the roll I used worked best at 50

 

[Scott Micciche]

That's a valid point. They stubbornly say it's 80, and maybe in D96 it is but in XTOL, I found it's better at 50 though it's ok at 80. I never went below 50 though might be worth a try. This was before I had the option to do rotary processing though so if/when it's available again I'll want to give it a go with continuous agitation.

Another thing I found odd was the red sensitivity. Sometimes I felt it was normal, and sometimes I felt it was more ortho but could never nail down under what conditions. I also found in XTOL 1:1 it's sometimes glowy if that makes sense. I've been playing with XTOL replenishment so I'm curious how that may change. XTOL is my preferred developer but I dunno if it's a great match for P30.

I guess all told my concerns are more with consistency. Sometimes it's glowly, sometimes it's not; sometimes red looks fine, sometimes it doesn't; sometimes it's better at 50, sometimes 80. Just hard to wrangle. But when it works, wow does it reward. I haven't tried CMS 20 yet but I have P30 negatives where I can't really even see the grain! Compare that to Pancro 400 where, even in 4x5, grain is pretty easy to spot.



Excellent! I'm very excited for it! Hoping it gets here next week so I have time to try it over the weekend.

If you find a good recipe for XTOL, do let us know. I came close with a 1:2 to the look I wanted, but didn't approach the high quality of Silvermax Dev, Paranol S, D-96 or Rodinal semi-stand.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

If they come out with sheet film version, I wouldn't care if it's ISO 1.5!
I've been working with Adox CMS II 100 for about a month, and that stuff may be ISO 100, but it takes an EI of 40 before I like it!

 

[Agulliver]

I shot a roll at 80 and another at 50.....I did find the 50 was better but even shot at 80 it was fine. I used ID-11 stock. If one is not going to follow the "best practice" instructions and instead uses some unknown (for P30) chemistry and process....then one should not complain that "it didn't work".

In 120 this film could be a game changer. I can barely see grain on 135, medium format and larger will look glorious.

 

[cuthbert]

I just developed the first two rolls of P30, it's a difficult film to shoot, but I like the effect sometimes.

You guys say it's better at ISO50?

 

[m00dawg]

The Ferrania folk are pretty adamant about it being an 80 ISO film, but that's using D96. I have indeed had better results with it at 50 ISO (using XTOL) but I would say it's best to experiment around. I suspect the agitation may play a big role as well so that may be something to try. I ran out of my stash of P30 before I switched over to rotary agitation. I'm nonetheless very curious how it may behave using my current methods of developing. Sure hope the shop opens back up soon!

 

[Michael Teresko]

I was given a roll of P30 and shot this at 80 and developed in Rodinal 1:100 semi-stand. I'm looking forward to getting some more...
alley by Michael Teresko, on Flickr

 

[Scott Micciche]

I was given a roll of P30 and shot this at 80 and developed in Rodinal 1:100 semi-stand. I'm looking forward to getting some more...
alley by Michael Teresko, on Flickr

This is the way it's done, Michael. Nice!

 

[schyter]

shortly also in 120 format

 

[fdonadio]

I have just looked their website, Twitter and Instagram and it seems there’s no official word from Ferrania themselves yet.

I don’t speak Italian, but I can understand a couple of words Gerardo says on the video. He talks about an Italian distributor (and it seems this is pretty much definite: http://puntofoto.eu/) and something about “in a week”, so I guess the wait is finally ending in a couple of weeks, maybe.

Edit: I paid a little more attention and he says something along the lines of “in some weeks or months, it’s relative”.

 

[dutchsteammachine]

Can somebody translate that?

Google translate of the desc:

"It is a matter of very little (Time?) and finally we will have our Ferrania P30 both in 135 and 120 format. The emulsion has even been improved! Viva Ferrania!"

And in the chat:

"@gerardo bonomo Good morning Gerardo and thanks first of all for the reply. I was referring to the fact that the film was tested at its first appearance by Diego Ranieri, one of the members of the Analogical Forum. It also belongs to me. The test showed that the actual sensitivity of the film was / is 12/25 ISO developed in d76 1 + 1. Therefore a sensitivity that is decidedly inferior to that declared that relegates to a strictly specialized field.
gerardo bonomo"

"@Francesco BERARDI Good morning. I have always exposed it to ISO 80 and developed accordingly, or with R09 Spezial or with Bellini Hydrofen both at 1 + 31 dilution with exceptional results. I refer to the first production. Soon I will test the second production and make a tutorial. Good everything. Gerardo"

 

[twelvetone12]

Here you go:
(in the video description)
In a short time we will have our Ferrania P30 both in 135 and 120 formats. The emulation (sic! I guess emulsion) was even improved! Viva Ferrania!

(spoken in the video, in latin)
I'm announcing to you a great joy! We have Ferrania p30!

(spoken, italian)
Hello to everyone, I'm Gerardo Bonomo with great news. Soon, weeks, months, that's relative, Ferrania P30 will come back, both in 135 and 120 format. The emulsion was improved in respect to the patent deposited on April 3rd 1958, exactly 5 days after I was deposited on this Planet. Follow me and follow us on my website www.gerardobonomo.it www.puntofoto..eu, because the Italian distributor is Puntofoto Group, and we will finally have an end of 2019 and 2020 all under the sign of Ferrania P30. Viva [Ferrania, video cuts]

Sorry for the bad English

 

[wyofilm]

Here you go:
(in the video description)
In a short time we will have our Ferrania P30 both in 135 and 120 formats. The emulation (sic! I guess emulsion) was even improved! Viva Ferrania!

(spoken in the video, in latin)
I'm announcing to you a great joy! We have Ferrania p30!

(spoken, italian)
Hello to everyone, I'm Gerardo Bonomo with great news. Soon, weeks, months, that's relative, Ferrania P30 will come back, both in 135 and 120 format. The emulsion was improved in respect to the patent deposited on April 3rd 1958, exactly 5 days after I was deposited on this Planet. Follow me and follow us on my website www.gerardobonomo.it www.puntofoto..eu, because the Italian distributor is Puntofoto Group, and we will finally have an end of 2019 and 2020 all under the sign of Ferrania P30. Viva [Ferrania, video cuts]

Sorry for the bad English

Thanks for helping those us who are linguistically limited.

 

[fdonadio]

One more thing: the video was published in August.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I'd like to get my hands on some120 and see how it looks in Pyrocat-HD semi-stand.

 

[cmacd123]

One more thing: the video was published in August.

2 months and a day in fact

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Shooting at EI 40. Pyrocat-HD 1+1+50 24C 10:30 agitation 5 sec every 30 sec. I have found that this film is susceptible to airbells, and sensitive to excessive agitation... gentle is the keyword. Rapping the tank on its edge three times, took care of the airbell issue. I've never had this issue with the films that I have been using (mainly HP5, FP4, TMY-2...and others). For the next roll, I'll shoot at EI 25. At EI 40, I'm not seeing deep enough into the shadows.

 

[relistan]

I shot this film when I first received the Alpha packages. I haven't shot it since, but got very good results in Diafine at EI50 from that first roll. Here's a scan of one shot from the negative and a print on old Agfa MCC fiber paper from another:

Excuse the lack of deep black in the scan from the print. This is an artifact of scanning the print and not the film or the paper.

 

[runswithsizzers]

I shot 2 rolls, both at box speed, ISO 80. Developed in Adox Silvermax, per recommendation of Scott Micciche. I don't have the capability for wet printing, but if anyone wants to look at more post-processed camera-scans of the negatives you can see my results <here> and <here>

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I have to shoot this film at an EI of 32 to get half decent shadows. Developed in Pyrocat-HD. Box speed left your shadows empty, as it did me. I can't see your other results, as apparently my browser isn't new enough...

 

[Alessandro Serrao]

How does the Ferrania P30 reverse?