I get they are "best practices", but there should also be a minimum of proofreading and verification of the data. How can the 8 minute vs 7 minute be? I did 7 minutes in d76 (ei 80) and I got underexposed underdeveloped thin negatives. And it is not the developer, because HP5 developed the same day with the same batch of developer yields very good results. So I switched developer. At the end I ended up wasting 6 films for testing and only 2 with usable images.
Sincerely I don't think that asking for some real, tested development times is too much. I would do it myself if I had the equipment. But now I'm down to my last roll of P30, so I guess the party is over.
Nope. Ferrania didn't do any testing. They just made it according to the old formula and sent it out to the photographic community at large, and have been collecting and publishing anecdotal information about its speed and processing.I assume that Ferrania evaluated the ISO by the ANSI standard.
That surprises me, because it is neither difficult nor expensive to do for film manufacturer and it is not really serious to not provide such basic information about your product...Nope. Ferrania didn't do any testing. They just made it according to the old formula and sent it out to the photographic community at large, and have been collecting and publishing anecdotal information about its speed and processing.
Nope. Ferrania didn't do any testing. They just made it according to the old formula and sent it out to the photographic community at large, and have been collecting and publishing anecdotal information about its speed and processing.
Ferrania did a lot of things, but ISO testing of P30 wasn't one of them. They are relying on the photographic community to determine best practices for speed and processing.To call the work, risk and money spent anecdotal is completely asinine. I suggest a higher intake of fiber for you, Sir.
P30 is a cine film made to be developed in D96. Since D96 is not available at retail (you have to source the chemicals and make it up yourself), most people will be using other developers. Since Film Ferrania is working on a shoestring and doesn't have the resources to test a variety of developers, it ceded testing to the photographic community at large.Yes I get the contributions etc, but is it so irrational to ask the manufacturer to produce some reliable starting points for development?
feberryman did not say anything about the work, risk and money spent. He wrote: "... have been collecting and publishing anecdotal information about its speed and processing.". Unless the data is peer reviewed or tests have been performed by a certified lab, it is correct to be using the term anecdotal. I suggest you at least read right before you go on calling people stupid.To call the work, risk and money spent anecdotal is completely asinine. I suggest a higher intake of fiber for you, Sir.
feberryman did not say anything about the work, risk and money spent. He wrote: "... have been collecting and publishing anecdotal information about its speed and processing.". Unless the data is peer reviewed or tests have been performed by a certified lab, it is correct to be using the term anecdotal. I suggest you at least read right before you go on calling people stupid.
I can read! You called someone asinine, which according to the dictionary means extremely stupid or foolish. Constipated means slow-moving, restricted or inhibited in some way. Do you not know what you are writing. The point is that he was 100% right.Well I never called anyone stupid, so maybe take up a reading course yourself as I called him constipated. Hopefully, there is a difference.
No, I called his insinuation that the work was anecdotal asinine, not the man. Reading more carefully and understanding sentence structure is important.I can read! You called someone asinine, which according to the dictionary means extremely stupid or foolish.
He did not insinuate anything. He said "... have been collecting and publishing anecdotal information about its speed and processing.", which is 100% correct.No, I called his insinuation that the work was anecdotal asinine, not the man. Reading more carefully and understanding sentence structure is important.
Well then, his statement was asinine, which it was (and still is). No person was called: "asinine".He did not insinuate anything. He said "... have been collecting and publishing anecdotal information about its speed and processing.", which is 100% correct.
BTW, there is no substantial difference between lying about what someone say and call it stupid and calling someone stupid.
The ISO is determined by developing in a developer that is "very similar" to D-76.P30 is a cine film made to be developed in D96. Since D96 is not available at retail (you have to source the chemicals and make it up yourself), most people will be using other developers. Since Film Ferrania is working on a shoestring and doesn't have the resources to test a variety of developers, it ceded testing to the photographic community at large.
Ok, fair enough. My point is that it is quite easy and cheap to establish the ISO. It should not be up for debate. It should simply be provided by the supplier. It would cost them probably less then $1000 to do the right thing.Well then, his statement was asinine, which it was (and still is). No person was called: "asinine".
I'm done with you, read what you like and assume what you want.
Back to the basis of the thread ...
It would cost them probably less then $1000 to do the right thing.
Thanks for posting this information Iantau. I’ve used Neofin Blue on and off for years, and I too have some at hand. Thanks for the time for P30. How about scanning the entire list of films/times/temps and posting it here?
Got to admit that IIRC I’ve always used screw-top bottled Neofin; the glass ampoule is earlier packaging, and very cool too!
Sorry, I lost your reply a little while. I went for a holiday shortly after your posting. I scanned the table, the English instructions and the dilution table from the infosheet. If anyone thinks it is a better idea to post this somewhere else on this site then let me know.
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