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Alan, I understand that, but the software isn't magically going to produce more than 6 frames 6x6cm or 6x7cm because the physical film holder doesn't show them. The software isn't going to fix that.

I would know. I have a 4990 and have had it since the type just came out. I scanned loads of film with it in just about any format that would fit on the platen. I'm aware of the software, and also of the inherent limitations of the factory-supplied film holders.
 

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Not to mention (again!) that this option is not available in Epson Scan for 4990…
 
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Alan, I understand that, but the software isn't magically going to produce more than 6 frames 6x6cm or 6x7cm because the physical film holder doesn't show them. The software isn't going to fix that.

I would know. I have a 4990 and have had it since the type just came out. I scanned loads of film with it in just about any format that would fit on the platen. I'm aware of the software, and also of the inherent limitations of the factory-supplied film holders.

I though the OP was talking about the marquee size selected. Doesn't the 4990 have that option? On my V600 and V850, while the physical 120 film holders are fixed for 120 film, you have to select the 120 format used in software, such as 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, etc. That directs the software to select the right marquee automatically. You also can use manual mode and draw in the marquee for each picture.
 

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I'd have to check Alan. Frankly I've used the automatic frame selection feature only once or twice over the years. The manual option is so straightforward to use that I've always stuck with that and the inherent control it gives. I know there's an auto mode for at least 35mm, but I wouldn't know if the 4990 will auto-recognize various MF frame sizes. Either way, it won't change anything about the nature of the film holder. But I think we had already established that.
 

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I was simply asking whether I have the "typical" 120 holder for the scanner. I bought mine used, with no documentation. I had no idea if the proper carriers were included or if the seller had some random ones they threw in the box. It seems like an odd holder, although it may be the cats' pajamas for 6x12?
I was also getting a bunch of different error messages when trying to do a large scan of 8x10 negs. I'll compile some notes and narrow down what I think I may have goofed up.
 

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I was simply asking whether I have the "typical" 120 holder for the scanner. I bought mine used, with no documentation.

In case you missed the answer to your question, yes, you have the original Epson 120 holder that came with 4990. You can't scan strips of three 6x6 frames in one go, you'll have to reposition the strip to scan the third frame.
 

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it may be the cats' pajamas for 6x12?

Well, a practical advantage of that holder (and yes, it sounds like you've got the original one) is that it'll scan any format just fine. I've never went beyond 6x12, but I suspect even 6x17 will fit.

large scan of 8x10 negs

I generally just slap these onto the glass and then marquee select the whole thing. Adjust settings to taste. But be sure to leave the first half inch of the glass or so free - so don't place the negative smack in the top corner of the glass, but slide it down a little. In the original box, there's an accessory called the "film area guide" (FAG; no pun intended) which is essentially a thin rectangle that you can put onto the glass, and it'll leave a central 8x10 area free where you can put the negative. Scanning works fine without the FAG as well, but it takes some fidgeting to get the correct placement of the negative if you want to scan an 8x10 edge to edge.
 

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I appreciate all of the help. I do have the f.a.g. I still feel like the 120 holder is weird, but to appease everyone there would need to be 3 or 4 types I guess? The 4 strips of 3 camp, the 3 strips of 4 camp and any outliers.
 

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Yeah, that's it. I think they just compromised in the end. And the compromise is pretty workable in my experience. When scanning a full roll of 120, just remember to save the files in the correct order and you're good.
 

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Looking for help from members here, to help me scan 35mm Kodachrome slides on my 4990 Perfection Photo scanner.

I've had this scanner since 2005 but have only scanned reflective items up until now. The software I've used since the beginning has been Silverfast Ai, version 8 for the past many many years but just recently upgraded to Ai 9 Studio. I assumed I could use Silverfast to scan these 35mm slides as well but am having first-time problems, and that's what I'm requesting help on here

Note that I've also tried to use Epson Scan Utility (3.04a), but it too is refusing to cooperate.

==> The problem is that both Epson Scan and Silverfast appear to refuse to allow any image type other than "Reflective". Obviously I'm either doing something wrong, or not enabling the scanner to support "positive Kodachrome" as I must, or something.

If someone can just point me to a "scanning slides for beginners" FAQ or article, specifically for 4990 and Silverfast Ai 8 or 9 and/or Epson Scan Utility 3.04a, I would be most grateful. Or, just push me in the right direction with a few simple step-by-step instructions to get me started.


My objective is to digitize about 500 old Kodachrome mounted 35mm slides currently in 3 Kodak carousels. I long ago apparently misplaced the plastic film/slide holders that originally came with the 4990, and in particular the 8X tray Epson part #1426576 for holding 35mm slides.. However the gods must have been smiling down on me last week, when I found a listing on eBay for the complete set of four original trays... specifically including that 1426576 tray (3rd from the left in picture below) I was really looking for. So I bought the lot.

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Note that I have removed the white document mat from the lid of the scanner, as I believe is necessary and appropriate for scanning transparency positive slides. And I have placed the 8X tray on the glass and inserted eight slides into the eight openings. And I have done a PRESCAN, and then pushed the "FRAME" button in Silverfast and sure enough IFF was invoked and found the 8 separate frames that I can individually navigate to.

But I cannot understand how I am to setup and configure this transparency scan in order to accomplish the scan of each individual slide (or, even more ideally, create a batch job that can do all 8 scans automatically producing 8 separate TIFs with one push of some button somewhere). When I push "positive" in Silverfast only the value "positive" appears non-grayed in the dropdown list. The additional values of Kodachrome and Negative are grayed-out and cannot be selected. In epson Scan -> Professional mode, only the "Reflective" document type is available.

Clearly there must be something wrong, that is in common between Silverfast and Epson Scan, which is preventing the software from being able to scan positives / transparencies / 35mm Kodachrome slides. I obviously have missed something basic that I also need to do.

Can someone help me, spelling out simple first steps 1-5 that I must do in order to accomplish my goal? What am I looking for, or to do, in order to properly set up for best-possible quality of the results of scanning these 35mm slides? What should DPI be set to? Etc., etc.

Also, is there a way to "automate" Silverfast in order to produce 8 image files consecutively all from one button push, automatically running through all frames 1-8 on the tray? That would be great if possible.

Thank you very much in advance.
 
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Make sure that the lead from the back of the lid is plugged into the socket in the scanner body.
 

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Make sure that the lead from the back of the lid is plugged into the socket in the scanner body.

Indeed!!! You are a gentleman and a scholar!

My 4990 had to be repaired many years ago, and I disassembled it in order to put it back in the original carton (which I still had at that time) so that I could safely bring it to the Epson repair center. And then when it was returned after repair (again, they put it back in the carton) I reassembled it once it was back on my desk. And apparently I never reconnected that cable in the rear of the lid to the socket in the rear of the base. And it never mattered since I was only doing "reflective" scanning and also had the white document mat inserted into its locks.

But obviously it needs to be connected in order to then shine light through the transparencies (aka "35mm slides"), for the scanning method I'm now wanting to do. And of course once I connected the cable that mechanical prerequisite was satisfied.

However what I still didn't realize (and which really was my major mistake of misunderstanding) was that it was the FIRST BUTTON in Silverfast which needed to be toggled between "Reflective" and "Transparency". I had foolishly assumed it was the SECOND BUTTON ("Positive") which needed to be used to specify "Kodachrome" (since after all, the cardboard mounts around each 35mm slide say "Kodachrome"!), and yet the "Kodachrome" value in the dropdown list from "Positive" is still grayed-out and unselectable. I don't know what might really be meant by "Positive" or what "Kodachrome" might correspond to (perhaps film strips? not slides?)., but it's obviously not relevant to my current objective of scanning the 35mm slides dropped into the 8X holder.

==> It is REFLECTIVE changed to TRANSPARENCY that is really what I want.

I also upped the scan resolution to 2400 ppi, and pushed "Prescan".

Then, I discovered also had to make some Preferences changes (which I learned from some online video and also a prompt from Silverfast):

(a) Edit -> Preferences -> General -> High-resolution prescan -> 2X, which facilitates "finding frames" more accurately (after prescan) for all the slides placed in my 8X tray

(b) Edit -> Preferences -> Auto -> Find Frames: Outset -> 5%, which adds a bit of "extra outside pixel padding" around the frames found by IFF, just to ensure no unwanted cropping or trimming. This excess can be cropped away during post-scan editing (say with Photoshop) if desired, or it can just be retained as a perfectly acceptable small outside black border area around each true image.

So once the high-resolution prescan had completed, I could then push the FRAME button and select Find Frames -> All frames. Amazingly, it worked perfectly, with an outline placed just outside (with 5% "overscan") the transparency inside each cardboard mount. Remarkable!

And then I discovered that there is a "Batch Scan" button which does EXACTLY what I'd hoped I would find, namely performing 8 scans automatically when I pushed it, moving through all 8 of the 35mm slides in the tray and creating 8 individually named TIF files. PERFECT!! Of course I can also still do just one at a time with "Scan" if I want.

I then used Photoshop to rotate each image if necessary. Most were "upside down" (because of how I placed the slides into each window of the tray) and in need of a 1280 detree rotation, and some were in need of a 90 degree rotation. Now that I understand that as I move through the rest of the 500 slides I will inspect each one before putting it into the tray, which will save Photoshop time at the other end of the scan.

And now for the moment of truth: the level of detail in these resulting TIF files was truly remarkable. I would not have imagined it could be so good. Sure, if the image inside the slide is not perfectly in focus or highly detailed then the scan of that image will not be perfectly in focus or detailed. But it is astonishing how this scan of such a small piece of positive film transparency can be so good. And also that the "focus" of the camera lens under the scanning glass is so sharp by default, seemingly perfectly matched for the thickness of the cardboard mount around each slide. Honestly, amazing.

Finally, I played around with comparing scan results at 2400 ppi vs. 4800 ppi. Using Photoshop I then resized each image to 1920 pixels wide (producing about 1320 pixels tall), both retaining the original 4800 or 2400 ppi resolution, as well as scanning at 4800 and then reducing it to 2400 during the image resize. And I also saved to both TIF, JPG and PNG, to compare the detail and color of each resize/compress. My feeling is that scanning at 4800 ppi generates much too much data and produces "blurring" during the resizing. The final resized images from 2400 ppi scans were much "clearer".

Also, it seems that the JPG resize/compresses had pretty much the identical color as the original TIF scan. The PNG resize/compresses were just slightly off, or at least just a tiny bit different... and I noticed it.

==> For the goal of this project I will scan at 2400 ppi, and then use Photoshop to resize each scanned TIF image to 1920 x 1320 and save to JPG with a quality of 11. Note that Photoshop has its own File -> Scripts -> Image processor, that allows automated resize/compress of many TIF files into JPG. So once I scan all 500 slides, the conversion to JPG will also be effectively done by a single button push.

Given that these are 35mm slides from 50 years ago I think the display JPG results of the first eight slides that I have now experimented with are superb!!! Just superb!!



So once again, thank you very much for telling me about that cable. But my real mistake was that I thought it was through the "Positive" button from which should then select Kodachrome (and which for some reason is grayed out), when in fact I really should have pushed the "Reflective" button all along, and then selected "Transparency". I've now done that, and case closed!!
 
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