Ektachrome is back......

[GarageBoy]

Yeah, Kodak Alaris is definitely trying to push the film "lifestyle" marketing more than the technical abilities... I hope the emulsion is as good as e100g was

 

[BrianShaw]

Mmm-hmm. Some truth there. I'll keep an eye out for the Ekta-hundred next time I'm hanging out in Hipsterville...

According to their Facebook, available for order with delivery to suppliers actually anticipated for next week. I sure hope the suppliers are more than just those in Hipsterville!


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Ektachrome will be available to Photostock houses, retailers, dealers, Professional Labs and photofinishers to order today 8/25. We expect to begin shipping early next week. We are updating the Kodak Professional Film App (available for Android and Apple) as quickly as we can to reflect where to buy and process Ektachrome locally.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. Ektachrome died out since Velvia/Provia was generally superior (and cheaper) back in the day. I doubt that has changed much since then, and the market is much smaller. I just don't see the unique selling proposition of Ektachrome other than nostalgia. It would be nice if they could keep it going and begin a renaissance of film, since maybe that would lead to more and better emulsions being resurrected (plus-x, pan-x, TP, HIE, EIR, etc... we can dream)

I'd love to see Plus-X, and HIE...especially the latter, come back.

 

[trendland]

As I said friends : " Ektachrome is about to start " the next target is about looking foreward to see Ektachrome in 120.
Well - I wish to see this 120 Format again - but I also have to state : This will probably last a little longer. So with 120 Ektachrome Films it is not a question of some remaining days (or weeks ) as metioned before in regard of 135 Ektachrome.
But it could be possible if sellings of 135-36 films will proceed with bigest sucsess.
(4x5 inch, 8x10 inch isn't in the line of production planning and production developing - sad about )

with regards

 

[Arklatexian]

Bravo.

I wonder how long before it shows up at Freestyle. It’s not in their catalog. Might just drop in and ask when I can find some freetime.

I don't intend to develop, and mount my own slides. Had anyone announced that they will provide that service for the new Ektachrome? The last I had developed was develops by Kodak in Dallas (long gone)......Regards!

 

[WilmarcoImaging]

Good news.

 

[trendland]

Yeah, Kodak Alaris is definitely trying to push the film "lifestyle" marketing more than the technical abilities... I hope the emulsion is as good as e100g was

As the technique of emulsion backing has not changed within the last decade one may ecpect
Kodak will hold on its quality we remember from E100g.
The task to produce smallest quantities of that film may result in highest qualty control standards of
Kodak. But that isn't realy new Kodak did it also in the past.
But there (in the past) Kodak was able to produce this Film in amounds with factor 100 in comparison. So a failed production charge wasn't so much an economical problem.
Sure it has cost a highest sum to sort out a complete charge of produced films (several masterrolls)
but the economical compensation was done from the sellings of the complete production and calculated within the pricing of a singular 135/120 roll.
If that wasn't enough (in cases a production failure was realy great and has happend several times)
Kodak was still able to give great amounds of film into scratch (to hold highest quality standard on each single selling roll ) because Kodak was realy able to compensate such financial damage with
billions of rolls of amateuric c41 films produced and sold within a single year.
Of course production managers of Kodak Gold 200/400 wasn't amused about to hear from trouble in E6 production wich may smaller their own target in profit. But I guess that case has been allways calculated from pricing of Kodak Gold Films.
So this is the difference today : A case of missproduction isn't allowed and I am sure Kodak employees know about. They might give their very best.
(within the past it wasn't allowed too - but it was no big thing to give film into scratch - today it might be just impossible)
A marketing on basis of livestyle (if you want to be hip - just shot Ektachrome) that is the transported message in short might feel strange to most of us.
As you metioned "what is with the special characteristics of Ektachrome" why is this not in focus
of marketing?
A short answer : People who want to shot Ektachrome because of its quality and characteristics are not able to buy this film in that amounds a production of E6 make sense.
That is indeed the same metioned argumentation of many here who stated against Ektachrome.
And they are right. As the key conclusion of this, "hipsters" or people who feel like will decide within the next weeks about the future of Kodak E6 Films.
Sure Kodak marketing are focussing them from the first beginning.
Remember : Kodak Films did not came to an end because professionells changed to digital.
The sellings of films break down massive at the point 2003/2004 when Kodak Gold wasn't used during holydays as a simple 8mp consumer digi did the same job to amateuric photograpers.

with regards

 

[trendland]

I don't know how you could come to that conclusion, unless I've missed an announcement from Kodak that the beta test found no issues. The purpose of beta testing is to find problems and fix them, and then re-test. I haven't heard of any problems found, but if Kodak found something I imagine we'll be seeing a beta 2.0 or similar before production. Who knows, perhaps we'll be hearing news soon.

As for pricing, yes hopefully they will have a price similar to Fuji products, otherwise it'll be a challenge for them to hit their volume targets.

Did this all come to you in a dream?

See :

IT ISN'T JUST A DREAM - AND IT HAS COME TRUE

with regards

 

[trendland]

Not to forget :

Also Super8 filmers should come to their right.....
with regards

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

According to their Facebook, available for order with delivery to suppliers actually anticipated for next week. I sure hope the suppliers are more than just those in Hipsterville!

Yes! And Snobsville. Possibly even Dullsville...
My key dealer is making room for stock due to arrive here on Monday 8th October.
I'll pick up a couple of rolls, even though I have a much, much stronger preference for 120.
Got to finish a roll of CMS II 20 in 35mm first. With two beta-testers away for the school holidays, I'm heaving off on my own roadie next week.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. Ektachrome died out since Velvia/Provia was generally superior (and cheaper) back in the day. I doubt that has changed much since then, and the market is much smaller. I just don't see the unique selling proposition of Ektachrome other than nostalgia. It would be nice if they could keep it going and begin a renaissance of film, since maybe that would lead to more and better emulsions being resurrected (plus-x, pan-x, TP, HIE, EIR, etc... we can dream)

I don't see anything remarkable, new or ground-breaking about this Ektachrome insofar as beta-test rolls show. It is very benign and typical of Ektachrome and in other respects all other E6 films. E6 is not a bumper market and I don't see how this little yellow and blue box is going to change that in the face of entrenched use of Fujifilm's excellent products. So yes, tugging at the forelocks of nostalgia, even in a vastly different target market where E6 has shrunk to 6% of local market take-up, is one way of putting it.

 

[abruzzi]

I don't intend to develop, and mount my own slides. Had anyone announced that they will provide that service for the new Ektachrome? The last I had developed was develops by Kodak in Dallas (long gone)......Regards!

There are plenty of places that still develop and mount E-6 35mm slides. thedarkroom.com has done well for the few rolls of Velvia I’ve shot.

 

[trendland]

I don't see anything remarkable, new or ground-breaking about this Ektachrome insofar as beta-test rolls show. It is very benign and typical of Ektachrome and in other respects all other E6 films. E6 is not a bumper market and I don't see how this little yellow and blue box is going to change that in the face of entrenched use of Fujifilm's excellent products. So yes, tugging at the forelocks of nostalgia, even in a vastly different target market where E6 has shrunk to 6% of local market take-up, is one way of putting it.

That is quite correct what you stated - but don't forget new buyers !
People who may ask these days : "Tell me pls. what is color reversal again? I had it in mind but possible mixed it. Perhaps I should try out this New Film !"
So many many Ektachromes are preordered from People who wonder about Fuji has also these kind of Films still in programm?
People who have had no idea of Fuji E6 are the majority of potential E6 users in the future.
If they like it. But you are also right if I unterstand you correct that the New Ektachrome is absolut identical with the last E100 produced in the past.
with regards

 

[trendland]

I'd love to see Plus-X, and HIE...especially the latter, come back.

HIE would be a film with oportunitys you never may reach with digital systems. But I realy can't see a way of bringing it back. Kodak should be easily able to produce this film on basis of New Ektachrome - I don't say it is a simple task from the economical side.
With money from Departement of defence they would proceed soon.
with regards

PS : If we just would be alowed to produce fake news one might convince DT about the inadequacy
of modern electronic reconnaisance pods !
One may tell him that most of that equipment is imported from Israel.(the tecnology leader of such special stuff). And what about Amerika first ? Meanwhile Kodak may supply defence with well known
(and practical ) HIE again?

 

[trendland]

By the way : Having Ektachrome back (and holding New Ektachrome in your own hands soon when shipping will arrive) isn't a reason to throw old Ektachromen into scratch next.
See : https://filmmakermagazine.com/10604...achrome-and-the-spike-lee-dolly/#.W6tuk8Uropw

with regards

PS : I realy love my older expired Ektachromes , hope the tipping of that link has not failed.

 

[trendland]

I'd love to see Plus-X, and HIE...especially the latter, come back.

Sorry I mixed it - so you metioned HIE (also a nice film, it was a little expensive in comparison to other bw infrared films, sad about discontinued) but what I meant is EIR see :

https://emulsive.org/reviews/film-r...nfrared-film-by-sina-farhad#jp-carousel-35061

with regards

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Never used it. I'd rather have HIE. It was a little expensive, but it was the only real IR out there.

 

[trendland]

Wrong link? Caused from failed tipping obviously!
Again : https://emulsive.org/reviews/film-r...frared-eir-color-infrared-film-by-sina-farhat

Ok - so what is coming next beside super8/16mm Ektachrome motion picture Film? Not Kodak EIR - that is for sure.
Some speculations about Kodachrome revivaled again.(Rochester Democrat and Chronicle did mention it 2 days ago and refered Kodak statements)
I would like to have Kodachrome 25 back but to be realistic : the Kodak sourse Rochester D. Chronicle refered is the Kodak statement from Jan.2017
We should not forget : At this point Ektachrome first have to be a best selling film (in relative concern).
Today it is looking in that direction - so a 120 Ektachrome is more in the near future than ever before.
(Since Kodak discontinued full e6 program in the past).
From my point Kodachrome emulsion backing is a real strong task, beside the question of possible low demand and high pricing.
The same is standing for Ektachrome sheed films (low demand and ineconomical pricing)
But who knows - perhaps there will be a way with sheed film in the future.
The best chance today on a 2. Kodak E6 emulsion is standing on basis of this Ektachrome 100 Kodak
is shipping from now.
That means folowing parameters : 135-36, no Kodachrome, no EIR but a derivat on the basis of ISO 100 Ektachrome. Kodak proceed in that way allways in the past.

This would mean a variation in speed, a variation in color characteristics or (most realistic) in both of that.
And this isn't a strong task (remember tmax3200). So we may have next Ektachrome 64 again (not in thungsten of course) I mean Kodak EPR.
And this is a realy great deal (if EVERYTHING else goes well with Kodak Ektachrome)
with compliments

 

[trendland]

Good News !

A friend of mine (the one who shoot New Ektachrome meanwhile) was reported from Kodak officials that the demand on Ektachrome is on highest level more just much more Kodak has expected in optimistic scenaryo!

Ok that is common sense meanwhile : The retailers ordered highly scales.

But here is the point : Kodak is planing to produce 120 format next year. He phoned me yeasterday and told me : They have serious thoughts to proceed with additional formats.

But that all is inofficialy .....

with regards

PS : I have expected 120 Ektachrome - but I wasn't sure about (remember some backing paper issues with other Films) but that seams to be solved (backing paper problems).
So I might need a bigger freezer ......

 

[Eric Rose]

Well if Agfachrome ever came back, then I would get excited. Never like Ektachrome.

 

[trendland]

By the way is anyone effected to need Slide Mounts for slide projection with New Ektachrome ?
In case of self mounting you have to decide first wich system from type of magazines is to be used with your projection machine.

Here are two different types of mounts in 35mm wich are still avaible :

Agfa CS you possible know from mounted slides of your lab service.

CS Magazines are avaible in 2 different size :

4 x 40 slides in one storage box

2 x 100 slides in the box

The best frames in comparison to the cheap CS system are coming from the Sweedish company
Gepe in 35 mm two series are the best I personally know (both with metal mask)

35mm glassless

35mm with AntiNewton glass

with regards

 

[AgX]

Here in Germany some prefer the newest model 5x5 mount. It is made by Diaspeed. I'm not sure about the long time stability as the filmstrip is constantly under tentionby some plastic part,which may loose their tension, the same time the frame may be warped. Time will tell.
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/new-35mm-slide-mount-system.97343/

 

[AgX]

For those many of you in a hurry, Ektachrome is listed as in stock at the wharehouse of Fotoimpex in Germany.

 

[trendland]

Here in Germany some prefer the newest model 5x5 mount. It is made by Diaspeed. I'm not sure about the long time stability as the filmstrip is constantly under tentionby some plastic part,which may loose their tension, the same time the frame may be warped. Time will tell.
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/new-35mm-slide-mount-system.97343/

Indeed the situation of Germany based manufacturers is a special case. In regard of slide mounts traditional mounts from plastic see less demand. The issue came worst over the years. Alfi (from my point not the best mounts but not as bad as one might expect) let it not come to discontinuation.

bevor that was the case a sudden misfortune came
before that :
https://aphognext.com/forum/index.php/Thread/32907-Aus-für-Diarahmen-mit-Glas

HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE ....

with regards

 

[skorpiius]

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. Ektachrome died out since Velvia/Provia was generally superior (and cheaper) back in the day. I doubt that has changed much since then, and the market is much smaller. I just don't see the unique selling proposition of Ektachrome other than nostalgia. It would be nice if they could keep it going and begin a renaissance of film, since maybe that would lead to more and better emulsions being resurrected (plus-x, pan-x, TP, HIE, EIR, etc... we can dream)

It may last longer than you think, just due to the assumption that Fuji will completely pull out of the E6 market before Kodak does.