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Color vs Black and White, the eternal debate

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Who decides that it's unwanted? Shouldn't that the the photographer's decision and not yours?

I assumed the photographer shared these images for honest feedback. If we’re only meant to say everything looks great, what’s the point?
 
No, you're just imposing your thoughts/interpretation on the image. That's neither philosophy nor art criticism.....
 
No, you're just imposing your thoughts/interpretation on the image. That's neither philosophy nor art criticism.....

I think you are right. If people like the photo or connect to it who am I to tell them they shouldn't?
I think I should stop criticising
 
I think I should stop criticising

The issue is: you are not criticizing. You are condemning based on your own preference and prejudices.

Critical evaluation (criticism) is something completely different. It is an outward exercise - not an inward one.
 
The issue is: you are not criticizing. You are condemning based on your own preference and prejudices.

Critical evaluation (criticism) is something completely different. It is an outward exercise - not an inward one.

Right on. Criticism is hard and requires actual work and study. At its best it is an art form itself.
 

What the.... ???

Can you seriously not see what's wrong with that you're saying?
 
This is an eternal debate. It feels like an eternity already.
 
I assumed the photographer shared these images for honest feedback. If we’re only meant to say everything looks great, what’s the point?

The world does not revolve around you. The purpose of photography is not to get your opinion. People don't need to justify to you why they post a photograph on their website. Furthermore, I do not see the value in "honest feedback" that consists of calling other people's work a "cry for attention", "fake", and "awful". If I were the photographer, and I wanted feedback, I would only be interested in constructive feedback.

What I'm actually wondering is why you feel compelled to spout your prejudices, or to do it so aggressively or with such negativity. I am not a moderator in this forum. But if I was, I would be giving you a warning about what valid criticism looks like. All photography is valid and you do not get to tell people that they're being fake or that their work is a cry for attention. That is not criticism. That is you being unkind and judgmental.
 
N79, to add to dcy's previous post. What expertise do you have (background in photography, philosophy, art criticism) that would lend any weight to what are your personal opinions?
The photographer did not post the photo "Lonely Alley in Venice" nor ask for what you consider "honest feedback."
 
Wow... Tough crowd...

I mean, I understand intellectual objections to certain points of view, but things seem to be getting a wee bit personal.

Unnecessarily so, IMHO.
 
Wow... Tough crowd...

I mean, I understand intellectual objections to certain points of view, but things seem to be getting a wee bit personal.

Unnecessarily so, IMHO.

Alex, I disagree.... if you start a discussion as N79 did.....with questionable statements...
"Then I noticed that many people shoot black and white because they think that their photos look more "artistic".
And then make comments that are completely mistaken...
"I assumed the photographer shared these images for honest feedback. "

you're going to get taken to task for it as several people have.
I agree with what Don_ih so succinctly said:

"The issue is: you are not criticizing. You are condemning based on your own preference and prejudices.
Critical evaluation (criticism) is something completely different. It is an outward exercise - not an inward one."


In my opinion, N79 is getting pushback because his statements are largely personal, not intellectual
 

I don’t know if you find the picture to be good/bad from a “formal” criticism standpoint but if your honest and/or instinctive reaction is to find it strange in some way, that’s good enough for me. I’ll take that kind of response any day of the week whether it’s supposed to be positive or negative.
 
I think there may have been a slight venture off of the tracks in that it sounded like the op was saying a good photograph works in either color or b&w. While I think he meant that there are good photographs in both. There have been quite a few examples posted that show an inversion from one to the other isn't necessarily effective.

I hope this is what has happened, and I haven't misunderstood the whole thing.

The real question is can one make a really good b&w image of a sunset?
 
That could work, although we are sort of trying to put a square peg in a round hole with the sunset thing. They are clearly a thing where colour just works.

CR, your photo looks like a ship sinking!
 
That could work, although we are sort of trying to put a square peg in a round hole with the sunset thing. They are clearly a thing where colour just works.

CR, your photo looks like a ship sinking!

It was ship that had sunk already and was sitting grounded in harbor.
 

Honest feedback referred to Milpool's photo, not towards the random instagram photo that was posted here

And anyway that photo I saw it won a 2nd prize in a competition. It got its feedback from serious critics doesn't need my own weird one
 

Strange means good for me too
 

But i understand if I offended you I will try and keep my opinions from now on more polite.
 
What the.... ???

Can you seriously not see what's wrong with that you're saying?

Now that I was reading it back what i wrote i found it a bit funny to be honest.

But again sorry for that it sounded harsh indeed.
 
Now that I was reading it back what i wrote i found it a bit funny to be honest.

But again sorry for that it sounded harsh indeed.

I lost count how many times you wrote sorry in this thread.
 
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