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Someone needs to do an IR version. It might be me.

I've been thinking about this as well, as I now have a #89B filter and some SFX200 to play with.

But I'm wondering... would the IR be a separate channel from visible red? And if so, would the #25 need to be combined with an IR cut filter to isolate only visible red? Then there's the question of how to colorize the IR channel in post... but I suppose that's the fun of it, eh?
 

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The traditional way of Kodak Aerochrome was to have the IR red too.
But of course vegetation would be bright red or orange depending on whether you mixed it with a full RGB set, turning the whole photo to a Mars look.
Maybe the IR should be used as a luminance channel only..?
 

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Someone needs to do an IR version. It might be me.
You'll probably beat me to it, but it's now on my list of experiments to try. I've never tried IR film, so might as well go off the deep end and try it with trichromy, right?


Just recently, I came across two YouTube videos for infrared trichromy. I think they each did it a little bit differently, but I think both assigned the IR to the red channel to colorize. If I'm interpreting the comments correctly, the first example used R72 for red, 58 green, and 47b blue:

The second video used R72 for red, no filter (I think?) for green, and some unidentified blue filter:

Another IR example I found on Reddit used "...RGB channels of the color picture are occupied by the infrared, red, and green filtered images respectively (as per Ektachrome EIR dye-mapping)."
https://www.reddit.com/r/analog/comments/44pogg/35mm_color_infrared_trichrome_mod_nimslo_3d_4x/
 
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This is a great thread!

I'd like to try this by shooting Scala and projecting the three images through three aligned projectors. I'm having a lot of trouble finding tricolour filters in the UK, though. Anyone got a source?
 

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Ha, those goose at 3:19! Great.

You guys make me think of doing some color IR myself. There must be some Efke 820 120 in the fridge...

In the old days with EIR I took a #22 or #16 filter to remove blue light and liked the look - so I would prefer green + red + ir filters.

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The advantage of using the IR channel as a luminance channel would be that it accomplishes what most people try to do anyway in a landscape photo.
It darkens the blue in the sky and water. And it brightens the vegetation making it pop, and seem fresh or distinct, instead of just green homogeneous mud.
 

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This is a great thread!

I'd like to try this by shooting Scala and projecting the three images through three aligned projectors. I'm having a lot of trouble finding tricolour filters in the UK, though. Anyone got a source?
@perkeleellinen, I use 52mm circular screw-in color filters from Tiffen, specifically the Tiffen #25 Red, #58 Green, and #47 Blue filters. I'm not sure if Tiffen has a distributor in the UK, but I think any other brand filter (Hoya, B+W, Heliopan, etc...) with the same or similar Wratten filter numbers would work. Hope that helps!
 

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A self portrait combining my two hobbies, photography and rock climbing.

Nikon FM2n, AI Nikkor 50mm f/1.8S, Ultrafine eXtreme 400, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 5.5 minutes. Three individual black and white frames shot through Tiffen #25 Red, #58 Green, and #47 Blue filters, respectively, then combined using GIMP to create a trichrome color image.


2020.10.13 Roll #261-05340-positive-trichrome.jpg
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Quercus chrysolepis, canyon live oak.

Nikon FM2n, AI Nikkor 50mm f/1.8S, Ultrafine eXtreme 400, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 5.5 minutes. Three individual black and white frames shot through Tiffen #25 Red, #58 Green, and #47 Blue filters, respectively, then combined using GIMP to create a trichrome color image.


2020.10.13 Roll #261-05344-positive-trichrome.jpg
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Again, as always, a great example.
It may be just my screen, but your colours appear to have a certain subtle vintage look that I think looks great.
I look forward to seeing more of your results.
 

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Again, as always, a great example.
It may be just my screen, but your colours appear to have a certain subtle vintage look that I think looks great.
I look forward to seeing more of your results.
Thank you @foc, that's very kind, glad you enjoy the images. What you call a subtle vintage look, I sometimes call "pesky green or magenta color cast".
 

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Wow, tricolor with 4x5 is a whole other level of commitment...

I was able to do it, but couldn't be bothered to take the time to tweak the colour balance. I didn't care for the plastic look. Colour saturation was amazing, though! Next time I try it it will be for tri-colour gum.
 
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