APX 400

[5stringdeath]

I'll buy some on day one just because

I see on the pages they plan to make 110 size too .. that would be cool too!

 

[michaelbsc]

As most of you probably know we are reintroducing a new and updated version of (...the film which once was known as...) APX 400 this year.

It will be called ADOX PAN 400.

We have a "First Coating" version in confectioning which will be sold at a special introductory price.

...

Buying the "First Coating" version helps us to finance the rest of the project.

Mirko,

Can you please point us to a place where we can order the "First Coating" film from the US?

I spoke to Eric at Freestyle, and they will be carrying the regular run, but not the first coating.

And, as with many Americans, I sat through two years of German classes, but 30 years later I don't speak or read German well enough to figure out where to buy it on your website!!

Thanks,
Michael

 

[5stringdeath]

Mirko,

Can you please point us to a place where we can order the "First Coating" film from the US?

I spoke to Eric at Freestyle, and they will be carrying the regular run, but not the first coating.

And, as with many Americans, I sat through two years of German classes, but 30 years later I don't speak or read German well enough to figure out where to buy it on your website!!

Thanks,
Michael

The website is in English too ... click on the British flag down the bottom.

 

[michaelbsc]

The website is in English too ... click on the British flag down the bottom.

Duh! Color me stupid today.

 

[AmsterdamMartin]

Congratulations on this complex and daring accomplishment.
Sehr gut uberhaupt das Sie ADOX zuruck gebracht haben, und jetzt AGFA APX.
All support from Amsterdam.

 

[w9cae]

I'll buy some on day one just because

I see on the pages they plan to make 110 size too .. that would be cool too!

I noticed that also & I think 126 this would give some life to many old point & shoots. Might even breath some new life into the Lumo scene ?

My Kodak X25 & Pentax 110 auto will be ready when you get it out.

My mistake no mention of 126, guess wishful thinking ?

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Mirko,

Can you please point us to a place where we can order the "First Coating" film from the US?

I spoke to Eric at Freestyle, and they will be carrying the regular run, but not the first coating.

And, as with many Americans, I sat through two years of German classes, but 30 years later I don't speak or read German well enough to figure out where to buy it on your website!!

Thanks,
Michael

Michael,

the first coating is calculated so narowly that it does not make sense for dealers to carry it. You are welcome to order it directly from Fotoimpex.
We are also in the process of setting up the multilingual webshop.
Actually most things are translated for months now it was just a technical issue. We will change to a new webshop system shortly.
If you have any problems just shoot us an email or call us.
We speak english.

Kind regards,

Mirko

 

[Ektagraphic]

Well...I never had a chance to try the AGFA films but I am very, very, excited about this. I am quite a fan of ADOX! I would absolutly love to see a 110 and 126 film also! My 110 and 126 cameras are quite hungry! Thanks a million for this. I have heard such great things about the apx films and have wanted to try them.

 

[Ed Sukach]

BIG QUESTION: the last version of APX 400 changed the film,
so that Rodinal required 30 minutes of development instead of 11 !!!!!!!!!!!
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At the end of Agfa, the "New" APX400 was listed as requiring an extended time in development - which (mysteriously) was the same, or VERY close to, what it would be with APX100 pushed two stops to ISO400.

After considering that, I have been suspicious ...

Even at that, I have used the "new" APX400 processed as recommended and have noticed very little difference from the "old" film.

 

[davekarp]

As we near the end of August, any word on when the sheet film version of this film will be available? (4x5 and 5x7) Will Freestyle carry it?

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Development times:

The latest datasheet for Rodinal lists APX at 20 Minutes 1+50.
If someone lists a development time in Rodinal not mentioning the dilution I assume it´s ment for 1+25.
To me 1+25 is the "standard". So this is why we had this misunderstanding.

The new film will have a higher speed than old APX (about 1/2 stop) if developed like the old film at 20 minutes in Rodinal 1+50.

Extended developing times showed in our first tests a true increase in speed up to 650 ASA in some developers (but not in Rodinal).
We don´t know if the final product will have these outstanding parameters as well. For sure it will have a true 400 ASA unlike the old product and it will have a finer grain.

Overall push capabilities will be better so that AP 400 new can be pushed up to 800 ASA with hardly any visible loss in shadow detail and tonality.

I will keep you updated about the project. At this point we expect 35mm and 120 films to be available in Oktober but we might have delays so take this as a current plan but not a final release date.
Sheetfilms will take about 3 months longer because construction at the factory is going on in the hall which will be the sheetfilm confectioning later.

Best wishes,

Mirko

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...The latest datasheet for Rodinal lists APX at 20 Minutes 1+50...

Both page 10 of this July, 2003 Agfaphoto data sheet

http://www.agfaphoto.com/appc/_upload/2008_36/Datasheet_F_PF_E4.pdf

and page 2 of this A&O Rodinal data sheet

http://www.mahn.net/DL_MAHN/agrodgba.pdf

list 30 minutes at 20 degrees C for APX400 at 1+50.

I hope ADOX PAN 400 ends up requiring the same extended time. My reason is that ambient temperatures here in southern California, both air and "cold" water, are very high much of the year. It would be one of the few combinations available that permit reasonably long times when developing sheets with continuous agitation on a Jobo processor in Expert drums under such conditions.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Sal,

If our versions of Rodinal datasheets list different times for the 1+50 dilution this has not come to our attention because we are not yet in this type of testing status where we change dilutions or even developers.

You test an emuslion for different developers and times when it is all finished. Our´s isn´t yet and we run type to type comparison in D76, cross checking in Rodinal (1+25 for 10 minutes).

In the 1+25 dilution both our datasheets match so no problem there.

Whatever you do to an emulsion, even if it´s only a small change, has usually an affect on it´s developing kynetics. That´s why we need developing timetables for b/w at all and thats why times change anytime a manufacturer does something to the film.

I think for Tmax there were three different devtimes released over the past 5 years whenever Kodak touched it to improove it.

If Agfa changed the 1+50 time for Rodinal in 2003 the reason was that they did "something" to the emulsion. Whatever it was.

Kind regards,

Mirko

 

[Ian Grant]

Agfa's US Rodinal data-sheets were quite different to the European version for a long time, at least from the mid 1980's. It was almost as if the developer was a slightly different original concentration, and Agfa did change that concentrate in Europe over the years, at least twice after the merger with Gevaert when they reformulated Rodinal.

Ian

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...You test an emuslion for different developers and times when it is all finished. Our´s isn´t yet and we run type to type comparison in D76, cross checking in Rodinal (1+25 for 10 minutes)...Whatever you do to an emulsion, even if it´s only a small change, has usually an affect on it´s developing kynetics. That´s why we need developing timetables for b/w at all and thats why times change anytime a manufacturer does something to the film...

Yes, I understand that the ADOX PAN 400 emulsion will be different than APX 400. However, as long as your product development started from the last (2003) incarnation of APX 400, I'm confident that times in Rodinal 1+50 will be long, if not exactly 30 minutes. "Long" is all I need to be a happy consumer of the new film!

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

And at the same time that is a reason why others stopped using the film.

Yes, I understand that the ADOX PAN 400 emulsion will be different than APX 400. However, as long as your product development started from the last (2003) incarnation of APX 400, I'm confident that times in Rodinal 1+50 will be long, if not exactly 30 minutes. "Long" is all I need to be a happy consumer of the new film!

 

[Sal Santamaura]

And at the same time that is a reason why others stopped using the film.

Clearly from a few earlier posts in this thread.

I wanted to let Mirko know that not everyone sees this as a disadvantage while at the same time pointing out the potential benefit to different "others" who might not have recognized it.

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

Of course. There are many facets to liking and disliking certain aspects of particular materials we use.

I'm glad it works for you.

What's even more interesting is the contrast curve the Rodinal gives with the 'new' Agfa APX 400. It shoulders off really early and stops developing density, as if the developer simply is unable to increase density and contrast beyond a certain point, no matter how long you develop it for.

See attached picture snipped from the APX data sheet. The one with the Rodinal curve sloping off is the 400, and the other that has both Rodinal 1+25 and 1+50 is the 100.

- Thomas

 

[Shawn Dougherty]

I've been following this with interest. I had good luck with APX100 but now prefer to use 400 speed films for shutter speed reasons.... But I like highly dilute Rodinal and develop my film to a somewhat high contrast index for contact printing. Was looking forward to another choice but if the new film has these old characteristics..... Guess I'll have to try a roll/sheet or two and see.

 

[davekarp]

I will keep you updated about the project. At this point we expect 35mm and 120 films to be available in Oktober but we might have delays so take this as a current plan but not a final release date.
Sheetfilms will take about 3 months longer because construction at the factory is going on in the hall which will be the sheetfilm confectioning later.

Thanks for the update. I am looking forward to trying this film in 4x5 and 5x7.

 

[5stringdeath]

I can't wait! Love new (old) films and I've really been looking for a new 120 baseline film, so I look forward to diving in.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

Thanks for the update. I am looking forward to trying this film in 4x5 and 5x7.

Dave, why not WP too? In this post

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Mirko indicated it wouldn't take too many boxes for ADOX to cut special sizes.

 

[davekarp]

Dave, why not WP too? . . .

Hi Sal,

I hope you are well.

If I like it in the other sizes, I would surely be interested. Believe it or not, I never used the Agfa version, so I have no expectations regarding the Adox version, just interest.

 

[Ektagraphic]

Any update on when the real stuff will be out? Is it defiantly going to be available in 110? I'm excited.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

The Pan 400 "first coating" will be out in about 2 weeks.
However the first production of Pan 400 "final version" is currently delayed.
We are facing unexpected scale up problems at this point.
I might have more news next week.

Best wishes,

Mirko