Just very briefly. This is quite surprising and exciting.
That said, we should have known better: have a look at these patents by George Sawyer:
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Quite a while ago I had listed several patents related to Lippmann photography (https://holowiki.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5308). In the meantime, I had completely forgotten about Sawyer.
As for GP-x developers - I don't think I shared any results here because nothing really came of it, but I goofed around with trying to modify the recipe to cut the contrast down, lowering and eventually eliminating the hydroquinone (replacing it with ascorbic acid, since phenidone alone rapidly starts to discolor). That might have helped somewhat, but I was testing them out when
I wonder if you could replace pyrogallol with pyrocatechol . There used to be a successful developer called CW-C2:I was struggling with some of my most high contrast plates - so maybe revisiting those now might help take the edge off of the contrast.
My oldest plates (2014-2016 era) didn't really seem like they had a crazy high contrast, so I'm wondering what I'm doing differently now. I was definitely using a different developer back then - "pyro-carbonate", a recipe that I yoinked from some old article on Lippmann plates. I haven't messed with pyro developers much with these things recently, because the highlights tend to rapidly solarize to black, the shelflife isn't so hot, and it's a bit unecessarily toxic for something that I work with frequently. But it's definitely worth a shot to see if that helps out. I've got some pyrogallol sitting in an n-propanol solution that surprisingly hasn't turned totally black despite it being mixed several months ago, so maybe that's still good.
This was the pyro-carbonate recipe I was using, development was about 2 minutes at 20C:
- 60mL distilled water
- 2g ammonium carbonate
- 6 drops of 30% potassium bromide
- 4mL 10% solution of pyrogallol in alcohol
In that context I wonder if you ever tried to dry your layers "à la DCG" (essentially using alcohol [isopropyl, ethanol, methanol] for dehydration: inserting the wet plates - right after the final water wash - into the alcohol). After a short period of time, the plates are removed and exposed to a stream of hot air. I figured that might become interesting when dealing with white (broadband) images.I used to omit hypo, especially when I'm just rattling out a bunch of test shots, but I started doing it with plates sensitized with hydroquinone, as they seemed to print out pretty heavily without it. I never really noticed this with plates hypered with ascorbic acid. Darran Green also warned that many of his unfixed plates that are several years old began to show signs of degredation, particularly with the plates he used with mercury - so I just do it to be safe now. I see in a lot of old texts that Lippmann practitioners advised against fixing to avoid color shifting, as well as to prevent damage to the delicate fringe pattern, but I can't really say I've noticed too much of a difference on either point. If anything I'd welcome some blueshifting now - I can't really bring them out of the basement now without applying a prism downstairs, since the ambient humidity upstairs redshifts them a bit.
Here's a shot from last night, 1h10m exposure - I think the flower moved slightly. When I initally took these plates off the leveling table and set them to dry, the gelatin hadn't quite set up yet so some poured off - I think that's where that pattern came from.
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Cool. I'm glad you're posting here too! I watched your video on autochromes and of course following your progress with the Lippmann experiments. You referenced particle size as a factor in both autochromes and Lippmann plates. It occurred to me that you might be able to refine the particles in a rock tumbler with some steel bearings. Just a thought. I need to stop giving you advice and concentrate on my own projects! Amazing progress and keep us posted!!
I came across this on the LF photography forum. An in camera lumen print showing color With B&W paper! Well, a negative version at least. I think the color Reproduction is from a similar idea of fine grain silver refracting light. Not exactly a Lipman plate but in the same vein I think.
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I make images using paper negatives, from time to time. I can't find another thread about this, and I so would like to have a thread, where I can send my students (and other interested) to see what can be done in this way... I know there's a lot of paper negatives around LF forum, but...www.largeformatphotography.info
Many years ago I have had some success with a developer based on metol/ascorbic acid/methyl phenidone (https://holowiki.org/wiki/Silver_Processing_Formulas#MM-Collo_1):
- Metol.............................2g
- Ascorbic acid.....................7g
- Methylphenidone.................0,5g
- Potassium bromide.................3g
- Potassium carbonate..............20g
- Ammonium thiocyanate..............2g
- Distilled water...................1L
Dilute 1 : 50 or up to 1:100 (with distilled water.
On PFG-03 it produced extremely fine grains, illustrated by the yellow color of the emulsion.
I now think colloidal development hugely depends on parameters like layer hardness (= "diffusion speed") and temperature.
Thinking of metallic particles, perhaps visit an automotive paint/bodyshop supply. Auto paint is made of up a base with metallic and/or mica particles and then the various pigments and additives are added to make up the desired colour paint.
There are various bases with metallic particles in different sizes, depending on what the paint recipe calls for. Maybe worth a conversation to see what some of these mixing bases look like and if they are suitable for your needs?
Many years ago I have had some success with a developer based on metol/ascorbic acid/methyl phenidone (https://holowiki.org/wiki/Silver_Processing_Formulas#MM-Collo_1):
- Metol.............................2g
- Ascorbic acid.....................7g
- Methylphenidone.................0,5g
- Potassium bromide.................3g
- Potassium carbonate..............20g
- Ammonium thiocyanate..............2g
- Distilled water...................1L
Dilute 1 : 50 or up to 1:100 (with distilled water.
On PFG-03 it produced extremely fine grains, illustrated by the yellow color of the emulsion.
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