90mm and 210mm lenses value for money recommendation for my new Chamonix - any new lenses made?

[locutus]

Not sure what, if anything, Linhof had to do with the production of the "Edition" series. See this thread from LFPF: https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-146467.html Nothing really firm here, some speculation that Greiner might have had a hand in making this happen. One of the replies links to a German large format photography forum, maybe that has more information along this line.

I read through the german thread, main take aways that jup this went through Greiner, and the target market is Asia and the US. Supposedly some buyers are just collectors.

And the a lot of verbal gymnastics, you aren't missing much.

 

[xkaes]

2nd lens bought - Nikon Nikkor W 210mm f5.6 in mint condition incl. lens board and caps for £236 incl shipping
Pretty pleased with my purchases - two lenses for £516 isn't bad at all.

And when you decide to get a 90mm, there are many to choose from that won't break the bank. And while we're at it, here is a simple way to increase your arsenal of lenses for very little MOO-la -- before or after you get a 90mm:

http://www.subclub.org/fujinon/close-up.htm

 

[abruzzi]

This rises a somewhat interesting question, what was the last large-format lens in production? The Kan Rinpoche 60mm f/11.5?

Well, I bought a brand new clone of the Goerz Hypergon a few months ago, so, while the big 4 may have left the market, there are still small companies turning things out. The limitation is at the moment I don't know if anyone make an LF compatible shutter, so they'll all be barrel lenses.

 

[blee1996]

I have a pessimistic feeling that there are already many times more existing large format lenses than what people will ever need to use.

 

[locutus]

Well, I bought a brand new clone of the Goerz Hypergon a few months ago, so, while the big 4 may have left the market, there are still small companies turning things out. The limitation is at the moment I don't know if anyone make an LF compatible shutter, so they'll all be barrel lenses.

Ah yes, the Hypergon remake! I guess that answers the question until the Intrepid 150mm comes out

 

[sperera]

And when you decide to get a 90mm, there are many to choose from that won't break the bank. And while we're at it, here is a simple way to increase your arsenal of lenses for very little MOO-la -- before or after you get a 90mm:

http://www.subclub.org/fujinon/close-up.htm

ahhhhh I have Hasselblad extension tubes myself

 

[sperera]

My friends....lens purchasing complete and hence my lens kit. I hope I have chosen well and thanks to you all.

65mm - Schneider MC Super Angulon f5.6- £292
90mm - Fuji Fujinon SW f8 - £234 incl shipping
210mm - Nikon Nikkor W f5.6 - £235

Total spent on 3 lenses incl. shipping to Gibraltar: £764

150mm - Schneider 150mm f5.6 Apo Symmar MC (had already)

 

[chuckroast]

My friends....lens purchasing complete and hence my lens kit. I hope I have chosen well and thanks to you all.

65mm - Schneider MC Super Angulon f5.6- £292
90mm - Fuji Fujinon SW f8 - £234 incl shipping
210mm - Nikon Nikkor W f5.6 - £235

Total spent on 3 lenses incl. shipping to Gibraltar: £764

150mm - Schneider 150mm f5.6 Apo Symmar MC (had already)

Great choices all! NOW ... let's see some pictures

 

[sperera]

Great choices all! NOW ... let's see some pictures

hahah indeed!!!! Pressure is ON!!!

 

[sperera]

Entering this print into an art/photography competition locally....wish me luck! Had it printed at 1m x 1m size. Looks great in big...
The story: That's the continent of Africa in the background. The Strait of Gibraltar separates Europe from Africa. I talked my paddle boarder friends to paddle 1 hour to get to this spot and I directed the shot from way above like a cliff with arm signals haha. Shot it on Hasselblad 6 x 6. I want to do this shot on the 4 x 5 with different conditions....we shall see. I shot with a 110mm Zeiss f2 so I guess the 210mm will be more or less similar no?

 

[sperera]

here's a snap of it at the framing place ready to enter the competition:

 

[xkaes]

I have a pessimistic feeling that there are already many times more existing large format lenses than what people will ever need to use.

Why be pessimistic? You're absolutely correct -- and that's GREAT NEWS!!! Very high supply + very low demand = very low prices on very good lenses.

 

[Mark J]

For anyone else looking to buy a budget 210 , I don't think the Rodenstock Geronar 210 f/6.8 was mentioned. I recently re-bought one of these to use on 5x7" , having had one and sold it in the 2000's...

 

[chuckroast]

For anyone else looking to buy a budget 210 , I don't think the Rodenstock Geronar 210 f/6.8 was mentioned. I recently re-bought one of these to use on 5x7" , having had one and sold it in the 2000's...

I think it appeared somewhere up thread as the 210mm f/6.8 Caltar-IIE - the Calumet rebranded version of the Geronar.

I have one of these and it's probably my most used lens (followed closely by my 150mm f/5.6 Schneider APO Symmar). Absolutely great performer, small and light.

 

[Mal Paso]

I have the 65mm Nikkor and I think the lack of movement is a nonissue. Except for exotics, it's the widest view, you can crop to get a 75mm view and do your "Shifts" there. You can raise/lower and tilt the front standard but depth of field is already huge.

Another Caltar 210mm fan! Mine is an Apo Sironar.

 

[Mark J]

Thanks for correcting me on that Chuckroast. It is a very useful lens.

 

[Ian Grant]

Thanks for correcting me on that Chuckroast. It is a very useful lens.

The 150mm & 210mm Geronars are modern Multi Coated Cooke Triplets, Rodenstok sold them as lightweight budget lenses, great for backpacking. High quality, sharp, landscapes etc lenses stopped down, and also excellent Portrait lenses wider open.

Ian

 

[Mark J]

Yes indeed. I did some modelling/analysis of the design on the computer, and checked against the history of triplets. They are (were..) really a modern update of the original Cooke series III ( asymmetric) triplets, which were designed for performance at wider angles and moderate aperture ( f/6 ) .

 

[abruzzi]

Rodenstock also created a budget Geronar WA 90mm, that’s a double gauss. It seems to be one of the few “modern” wides that is small-ish. It’s in a funky Copal 1 shutter with a Copal 3 sized retaining ring.

 

[Mark J]

I know it and have the patent but haven't analysed it yet ( thanks Marco ! ).
It is the simplest double-Gauss but also called the Topogon by Zeiss.
If you set the computer number-crunching for the best arrangement of 4 elements, for a moderate wide angle eg. 60° to 70°, this comes out as the best. Its only disadvantage is that it does nothing for field illumination ( unlike the Super-Angulon ) so falls off quite a lot by 80°

 

[David Lindquist]

Not sure what, if anything, Linhof had to do with the production of the "Edition" series. See this thread from LFPF: https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-146467.html Nothing really firm here, some speculation that Greiner might have had a hand in making this happen. One of the replies links to a German large format photography forum, maybe that has more information along this line.

It is my understanding that 25 of each focal length were made. Linhof Studio explicitly shows the 150 mm as "sold out." They show the remaining four focal lengths and say they have the 210 mm in stock. The other two sellers of these that I am aware of, Badger Graphic and Greiner (in Germany), only show the 240, 300 and 360 mm lenses.

Linhof has a new digital and analog lens price list out, dated 1 April 2024. For analog lenses it shows the 210, 240, 300 and 360 mm "Edition" lenses, for prices it says "On request." Last years price list showed actual prices.

David

Bringing this up to date, as of July 25 Linhof & Studio shows only the 240 mm Apo-Sironar S "Edition" as being available, with the 210, 300, 360 as well as the 150 mm marked "Sold Out". As of this same date Greiner no longer shows any of the "Edition" lenses and Badger shows only the 240 and 300. By August 11, Badger shows only the 240 mm.

David

 

[GLS]

This rises a somewhat interesting question, what was the last large-format lens in production? The Kan Rinpoche 60mm f/11.5?

As far as I know Cooke are still making the PS945 and Series XVa lenses to order. Robert White still have them listed:

Cooke Lenses - Shop by Brand - Optics - Specialist Photography Cameras Filters Lenses Lighting Camera Heads

LEE Filters, Zeiss lenses, Voigtlander camera bodies, studio equipment, lighting and studio accessories suppliers with expert UK support.

www.robertwhite.co.uk

 

[sperera]

here we go

 

[David Lindquist]

It does say "Out of stock." These used to be on Cooke's website. I can no longer find them there. Then of course one would have to find a No. 3 Copal. Not impossible. If you really wanted one and Cooke was willing to make one you'd surely be willing to buy a used lens for its No. 3 Copal. You might even find a No. 3 Compur or Prontor Professional.

David

 

[DREW WILEY]

There has always been a waiting list for these Cooke lenses; but the mere mention of them on this particular thread is odd. He's already gotten the kind of lenses he had in mind; and he didn't have to sell his Bentley to pay for them.

Strictly speaking, you can get any lens you could conceivably want brand new, provided you can afford it. There is an outfit just ten minutes away from me which specializes in that kind of request. Just brings along your NASA, NSA, DEA, or European Space Agency credit card.